Texas flooding

[Rivendale]

The Bible instructs that God killed the wicked on the earth via a flood, with the only "righteous" ones (Noah and his family) being saved on an ark.

Mormon scripture (D&C 59:21): “And in nothing doth man offend God, or against none is his wrath kindled, save those who confess not his hand in all things, and obey not his commandments.”

Are Mormons confessing God's hand in this past weekend's floods in Texas?

Did God save the righteous in that area, and only the wicked died?

Only righteous saved with Noah? Some of the family are pictured as problematic. One would expect a story like that to be simplified, even so I would not expect only the bad guys died. The story goes people were violent and God wanted a start over. Innocent children would die in the story like they do in real floods.

I do not think there is an expectation only bad folks die in a flood, Biblical or otherwise.

God is indiscriminately incapable or frivolous in his execution procedures? These do overs are curious and seem to be ad hoc justification for theological pasifications.

[Gadianton]

First Rusty can't get a revelation that would ever actually help a person that needed help and adding to that, he can't even convince the majority of his followers, 64%, to abstain from murder.

[huckelberry]

Only righteous saved with Noah? Some of the family are pictured as problematic. One would expect a story like that to be simplified, even so I would not expect only the bad guys died. The story goes people were violent and God wanted a start over. Innocent children would die in the story like they do in real floods.

I do not think there is an expectation only bad folks die in a flood, Biblical or otherwise.

No, not among rational people, but Mormon press releases regularly assert that Mormons were prevented from dying in a tragedy due to their '[Mormon-defined] goodness.' What's the difference?

Marcus you point out a disturbing bit of shortsighted selfish concern. It happens with other Christian groups or manipulative leaders as well as Mormons, repulsive in any group.

[Marcus]

No, not among rational people, but Mormon press releases regularly assert that Mormons were prevented from dying in a tragedy due to their '[Mormon-defined] goodness.' What's the difference?

Marcus you point out a disturbing bit of shortsighted selfish concern. It happens with other Christian groups or manipulative leaders as well as Mormons, repulsive in any group.

Agreed.

[I Have Questions]

Only righteous saved with Noah? Some of the family are pictured as problematic. One would expect a story like that to be simplified, even so I would not expect only the bad guys died. The story goes people were violent and God wanted a start over. Innocent children would die in the story like they do in real floods.

I do not think there is an expectation only bad folks die in a flood, Biblical or otherwise.

No, not among rational people, but Mormon press releases regularly assert that Mormons were prevented from dying in a tragedy due to their '[Mormon-defined] goodness.' What's the difference?

The SLC LDS Church promotes the belief that Apostles can control the weather through prayer…

Elder Andersen directed his prayer for the Republic of Cabo Verde.

“We thank Thee, Father, for the many blessings that have come to Cabo Verde since Elder Dallin H. Oaks first blessed this land nearly 30 years ago. We bless this land, as President Oaks did previously, that the land may bring forth abundantly for its people, that the clouds may produce rain, that the ocean may yield its fruit, and we bless the people of this land that they may have vision, energy and freedom, light and knowledge, ambition and hope, all strengthened by obedience to Thy commandments.”

When the Andersens walked out after the temple’s final dedication session, rain was falling — and continued through the following morning, Sister Andersen said. It was an immediate response to an Apostle’s prayer, when the region typically receives less than 1 millimeter (.039 of an inch) of rain in the month of June.

The Andersens’ driver in Praia called the rain “a miracle.” President David J. Wunderli of the Cape Verde Praia Mission told them that in his two years serving in Cabo Verde, he’s only seen rain in the months of August and September.

Cynics will say, “Of course, it rained — rain was in the day’s forecast.” But “the miracle of the rain” had many facets.

The SLC LDS Church has a PR machine working 24/7 drawing targets around where Apostles’ arrows fall in convenient and coincidental places. Of course, they won’t make mention of how the prayers to stop the Texas flooding fell on deaf ears. They are only looking for stories that provide confirmation bias.

[Moksha]

Do any of you remember when Mormons on the apologetics boards claimed Hurricane Katrina was sent by God as punishment for the misdeeds of New Orleans?

[I Have Questions]

Utah declared the 29th June a day to pray for rain.

As drought conditions intensify and wildfire risks escalate across Utah, Gov. Spencer Cox on Friday declared Sunday, June 29, as a Day of Prayer and Fasting for Rain in the state.

“Utah is facing a tough season, and we need both divine help and practical action,” Cox said according to a press release from the governor’s office.

The governor reached out to faith leaders across religious traditions statewide, encouraging them to share the invitation with their congregations.

Maybe it’s just that God’s aim is off and he hit Texas instead of Utah? Or maybe God wants humans to make their mind up about whether or not they want the rain to start or stop.

It amazes me that people genuinely think that skipping a few meals and asking a supernatural being for some favourable magic, works. If I miss breakfast, and ask my garden gnome to make it rain, and it subsequently rains, is my garden gnome God?

[I Have Questions]

The death toll includes at least 27 from the all-girls Camp Mystic, a Christian summer camp nestled on the South Fork of the Guadalupe River, where flood risk was among the highest in the state, according to the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/07/us/t ... -floods-dg

The Christian summer camp for girls is located at the confluence of the South Fork Guadalupe River and Cypress Creek, an area where flood waters converge.

Placing a kids camp in an area designated as the highest risk for flooding, and within the “regulatory floodway” seems particularly negligent. Especially as it has happened before.

In 1987, sudden and intense rainfall caused the river to surge at an unprecedented rate in mid-July, leading to a tragedy that killed 10 campers at Pot O' Gold Christian Camp, a summer camp near Comfort, Texas. The campers drowned when their bus attempted to evacuate them and was overtaken by floodwater.

In the span of just a few hours, heavy rainfall pushed the Guadalupe River well beyond its banks. The rising waters swept through campsites, inundating cabins and cutting off escape routes. The disaster prompted statewide scrutiny of safety protocols at summer camps near rivers.