Joe's Ranch

[Gadianton]

You can tell from a photo op that they are love birds?

Suppose that's true. Isn't it nice that he had all the family support, narrative, and money to encourage his idyllic relationship. He "arrives" in life so to speak, and what does he do with his power? Try to limit the way other consenting adults are allowed to enter into relationships -- only his tastes and preferences are allowed. Everyone be like him. Since he's happy that way, everyone else must also do things his way.

[drumdude]

Some would argue that Christ’s universal atonement was… universal.

Those who stand to gain might try to sell Christ’s atonement back to you for a price. 10 percent of your paycheck may suffice. We take cash or check.

Celestial protection racket.

Nice little family you got there. Would be a shame if you lost them because you didn’t give hundreds of thousands of dollars to the LDS corporation in Salt Lake City, Utah.

[MG 2.0]

Celestial protection racket.

Nice little family you got there. Would be a shame if you lost them because you didn’t give hundreds of thousands of dollars to the LDS corporation in Salt Lake City, Utah.

I think I may have answered your concern on the previous page.

Regards,
MG

[drumdude]

Nice little family you got there. Would be a shame if you lost them because you didn’t give hundreds of thousands of dollars to the LDS corporation in Salt Lake City, Utah.

I think I may have answered your concern on the previous page.

Regards,
MG

You may have missed my response at the bottom of that page.

I disagree with the LDS idea of pay for play with regard to Christ’s atonement.

[MG 2.0]

I think I may have answered your concern on the previous page.

Regards,
MG

You may have missed my response at the bottom of that page.

I disagree with the LDS idea of pay for play with regard to Christ’s atonement.

I saw it but it just plain doesn't make sense. Maybe you can explain exactly what you mean.

Everyone goes to Heaven?

Regards,
MG

[drumdude]

You may have missed my response at the bottom of that page.

I disagree with the LDS idea of pay for play with regard to Christ’s atonement.

I saw it but it just plain doesn't make sense. Maybe you can explain exactly what you mean.

Everyone goes to Heaven?

Regards,
MG

Imagine a world without the LDS corporation taking 10 percent of your paycheck.

It’s easy if you try.

[MG 2.0]

I saw it but it just plain doesn't make sense. Maybe you can explain exactly what you mean.

Everyone goes to Heaven?

Regards,
MG

Imagine a world without the LDS corporation taking 10 percent of your paycheck.

It’s easy if you try.

It's rather obvious that you didn't answer my question. Is it all about money?

What is this thing where Jesus's Atonement is universal? Again, does that mean everyone goes to Heaven?

Regards,
MH

[drumdude]

Imagine a world without the LDS corporation taking 10 percent of your paycheck.

It’s easy if you try.

It's rather obvious that you didn't answer my question. Is it all about money?

What is this thing where Jesus's Atonement is universal? Again, does that mean everyone goes to Heaven?

Regards,
MH

I can’t put it more plainly. All you have to do is follow the Christ from the New Testament. People have been doing it for 2,000 years, and despite the claims of a bigamist from New York 200 years ago, they have been doing it sufficiently.

You can escape the small sect you’re in and see things from a wider truly Christian perspective if you just open your mind and heart.

[Marcus]

I saw it but it just plain doesn't make sense. Maybe you can explain exactly what you mean.

Everyone goes to Heaven?

Regards,
MG

Imagine a world without the LDS corporation taking 10 percent of your paycheck.

It’s easy if you try.

Not hard at all. Let's try a thought experiment. Suppose one person believes they understand God's plan for them and they strive to live that life. Part of that plan includes always giving 10% as a tithe to an insanely rich corporation that hoards the money. If they don't pay, they will not have the afterlife that god promised.

The next person believes they understand God's plan for them and they strive to live that life. Part of that plan includes giving of their assets and time to charitable causes. They give approximately 10% to these causes, but not always, depending on the needs of their family. They know God's plan includes doing the best they can with their assets. They would never neglect their family in order to give money to a rich corporation, and they know this is what god asks of them.

In the end, who is living god's plan?

It's hard to see that the rigid requirements of the lds church, requirements that have resulted in a bloated, cash-hoarding, asset-acquiring corporation that employees a host of lawyers to keep them from being held responsible in a multitude of moral and ethical quandaries, and that also threatens families with eternal separation in order to enforce financial compliance, are parts of the path god intended.

You have to wonder if mg hears himself when he asks, flabbergasted, if all of God's children really ought to be allowed in heaven? He insists that the Mormon version of judging and thereby ranking people against each other is really what a god would require. Also, his god wants their money. Why? So his people on earth can hoard it, and use that payment to lock in the status of those they control as higher ranked than those who don't pay up? That's not heaven, that's a racket.

[I Have Questions]

Luke Chapter 23
“42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.”

That’s Christ informing a criminal that he would be in paradise living alongside Jesus in the next life. The criminal wasn’t a member of a religious institution, hadn’t paid ten percent of his earnings every month to a religious institution, hadn’t lived the word of wisdom, hadn’t been sealed in a temple, hadn’t served a mission. He had lived the life of a criminal. And Jesus promised him the same heavenly eternal life as Jesus himself.

The LDS church has inserted itself in between the criminal and Jesus, has made up a load of conditions and appointed itself the arbiter of those conditional requirements and placed a physical cost on them. It is charging for something that Christ has already given for free. A protection racket is a good analogy.