From the Archives: Scott Cho and "Loopholes"

[_Polygamy Porter]

As I recall, someone did make it their tagline on MA&D

It was 'The Nehor' if I remember correctly.
That had me laughing for weeks :)

I did use that tagline for a bit. It was a fun one. Though I blanked out retards to make it less offensive.

To address the issue in question briefly though I don't see a scriptural loophole. Nowhere in LDS theology is disobedience to God glorified on the pretext of helping others. The concept of defying all moral law to save others appeals to our culture which seems obsessed with the 'anti-hero' persona. Comparing Abraham's obedience to God to someone violating all of God's laws is a no-starter.

If God wanted everyone to die before the age of eight he really wouldn't need anyone else's help to get the job done.

p.s. I know I was leaving but I was checking in on some last threads I was still in and this one brought up nostalgia....plus I can't sleep due to a nasty bronchial infection. Night all.

Can't leave the board alone eh Neh?

Stop with the threats of leaving. I know you cannot leave, that is why I did not give you a goodbye wack on the back. You did the post for pity. Like a teen threatening to commit suicide.

See ya around Neh. Remember, cold hard facts is how I roll. Keep your feelings in the Celestial Forum.

[_Pokatator]

I am sure that I would have had a better chance of achieving Godhood by being murdered as an infant than my chances of achieving it the normal Mormon way.

[_Blixa]

Babies who died before the age of accountability don't get a free ticket. They will be raised int he Millinium and will also have to go through trials.

There is no free ride to heaven.

This may be "true," Gaz, but the comforting story told to parents whose children die is that they are going straight to the CK...they've gotten their body and their brief time on earth was their test (being "more valiant" or some other explanation---an explanation also used among the laity to explain mental handicaps).

What is the scriptural or Conference Talk support for your stance, Gaz?

[_Gazelam]

Blixa, I can't find my source right at this moment, I'll look a little harder later. In the meantime I give you a few morsels to chew on in contemplation:

"I heard the Prophet Joseph say, in speaking to the Twelve on one occasion: "You will have all kinds of trials to pass through. And it is quite as necessary for you to be tried as it was for Abraham and other men of God, and (said he) God will feel after you, and He will take hold of you and wrench your very heart strings, and if you cannot stand it you will not be fit for an inheritance in the celestial kingdom of God" - John Taylor, JD 24:197, June 18, 1883


We have been called to pass through trials many times, and I do not think we should complain, because if we had no trials we should hardly feel at home in the other world in the company of the prophets and apostles who were sawn assunder, crucified, etc., for the word of God and testimony of Jesus Christ. - Wilford Woodruff, JD 23:328, December 10, 1882

[_Polygamy Porter]

Blixa, I can't find my source right at this moment, I'll look a little harder later. In the meantime I give you a few morsels to chew on in contemplation:

"I heard the Prophet Joseph say, in speaking to the Twelve on one occasion: "You will have all kinds of trials to pass through. And it is quite as necessary for you to be tried as it was for Abraham and other men of God, and (said he) God will feel after you, and He will take hold of you and wrench your very heart strings, and if you cannot stand it you will not be fit for an inheritance in the celestial kingdom of God" - John Taylor, JD 24:197, June 18, 1883


We have been called to pass through trials many times, and I do not think we should complain, because if we had no trials we should hardly feel at home in the other world in the company of the prophets and apostles who were sawn assunder, crucified, etc., for the word of God and testimony of Jesus Christ. - Wilford Woodruff, JD 23:328, December 10, 1882

Tell me one thing Gaz, how is it you will quote the above from the Journal of Discourses but never the unsavory quotes?

Not very consistent.

[_Gazelam]

Tell me one thing Gaz, how is it you will quote the above from the Journal of Discourses but never the unsavory quotes?

Not very consistent.

I have a book from 1948 entitled Latter-day Prophets Speak, it contains quotes from various General Authorities on a large variety of topics from many different sources, including the Journal of Discources.

Tell ya what, If you would like to discuss something from the Journals, start a thread and I'd be more than happy to discuss it with you. But you have to promise to only participate in it with two or less Beers in you.

[_Doctor Steuss]

Scratch. Methinks you slightly misunderstand Catholic theology on infants. Especially given the recent developments regarding "limbo." It isn't completely cut-and-dry. Although it does seem to flip-flop a bit from my perspective (see recent threads at MA&D on limbo/infant baptism... it tends to go from needed to not needed to needed to not needed, etc.)

Edited to add:
From the catechism...
1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them," allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church's call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism.

Entrusted in the mercy of G-d... BUT... they need to be baptised nonetheless. (needed to not needed to needed...)

[_Scottcho]

:)

[_charity]

I am confused. What do you want us to discuss here? MA&D banning issues? Or killing babies?

[_The Nehor]

Oh man, this thread isn't about retards. It's about baby killing.. can we focus on the baby killing?

Now THAT is about the most signature-line worthy pair of sentences I've ever seen. I'm torn. . . should I be laughing out loud at the sheer outrageousness of those sentences, or abjectly weeping for humanity?

I used that as my sig for a while after the incident.