LifeOnaPlate wrote:It shows a remarkable misunderstanding about the history of education in Utah.
Well, how many of the voters are products of that same school system?
Essay "School Vouchers = Saving Mormon Culture"
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_moksha
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Quick synopsis - If the referendum is passed, the State wll pay $3000 out of the state public education budget to private schools for each Utah resident Child enrolled in private schools. The public education budget will also have to pay for the administration and monitoring of this program.
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_Yong Xi
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I am voting against the voucher referendum. In principle, I am in favor of more choice in education. My opposition, however, is due to my belief that the main proponents/activists supporting vouchers in Utah, do so with the idea of creating private schools, primarily with a LDS/US Constituion agenda. Fundie LDS types want out of the public school system to set up their own institution (with LDS values) and want someone else to pay for it.
If it passes (doubtful), you will see a rush to capture the Mormon market in private education.
If it passes (doubtful), you will see a rush to capture the Mormon market in private education.
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moksha wrote:Quick synopsis - If the referendum is passed, the State wll pay $3000 out of the state public education budget to private schools for each Utah resident Child enrolled in private schools. The public education budget will also have to pay for the administration and monitoring of this program.
So... the Isolationists are alive and well in Utah. Keep our precious children away from those wicked neighbor kids... you know the ones... the non-members, the dark skinned ones, the poor ones, the ones from broken homes. And let's have the state pay for creating our own little empire.
Charter schools went down in flames in my state a few years ago. It was a bad idea then and it's a bad idea now. If someone wants to opt out of the public school system, they can always home school their kids, but they still pay taxes, whether or not they actually send their kids to the neighborhood school.
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That would be good for my exmo brother who lives deep in the morridor.. a private postmormon school free of mo'politics.moksha wrote:Quick synopsis - If the referendum is passed, the State wll pay $3000 out of the state public education budget to private schools for each Utah resident Child enrolled in private schools. The public education budget will also have to pay for the administration and monitoring of this program.
Utah really needs to watch their state budget, they think they are in the money right now, but their real estate market is already collapsing and soon they will realize they counted their chicks before they hatched.
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_LifeOnaPlate
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harmony wrote:LifeOnaPlate wrote:It shows a remarkable misunderstanding about the history of education in Utah.
Well, how many of the voters are products of that same school system?
The time period in question (regarding public schools in Utah) took place before most of the current legislators were alive.
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Polygamy Porter wrote:That would be good for my exmo brother who lives deep in the morridor.. a private postmormon school free of mo'politics.
I think most of these private schools will emphasize their purity from diversity and the chaos of mongrelizing if you get my point. This may be good for your brother - I don't know....
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Hello,
I live within the State of Utah, but I am not register to vote here. If I was register to vote here, I would probably vote Yes on Referendum #1. However, I think that the State that needs vouchers the most is the State of California.
I live within the State of Utah, but I am not register to vote here. If I was register to vote here, I would probably vote Yes on Referendum #1. However, I think that the State that needs vouchers the most is the State of California.
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I will be voting against Ref #1.
I don't like how it is written into the law that there will be NO accountability and future accountability is prohibited. The lack of accountability or oversight of private schools opens the door to waste, fraud and abuse of taxpayer dollars.
Most families that are poor cannot afford the $5000+ dollars to attend a private school, let alone bring one or more children to those schools (which may or may not be close, so they will have to be driven). Giving them $3000 bucks still won't pay the additional money between the two. Vouchers won’t help the majority of Utah families anyway because more than half of Utah counties have no private schools at all. Even if an eligible student is chosen by a private voucher school, there is no guarantee that there will be a voucher available for that student now or in the future, and vouchers run out when the funds do.
The vouchers will cost over $400 million dollars which will NOT go back into our public schools here.
The commercials there are showing how students move to private schools freeing up money is a complete and total LIE. The schools will still have to allocate just as much money as they did before.
Even if an eligible student is chosen by a private voucher school, there is no guarantee that there will be a voucher available for that student now or in the future, and vouchers run out when the funds do.
The way it is written now is very bad.
Vote NO on Referendum #1 TODAY!
I don't like how it is written into the law that there will be NO accountability and future accountability is prohibited. The lack of accountability or oversight of private schools opens the door to waste, fraud and abuse of taxpayer dollars.
Most families that are poor cannot afford the $5000+ dollars to attend a private school, let alone bring one or more children to those schools (which may or may not be close, so they will have to be driven). Giving them $3000 bucks still won't pay the additional money between the two. Vouchers won’t help the majority of Utah families anyway because more than half of Utah counties have no private schools at all. Even if an eligible student is chosen by a private voucher school, there is no guarantee that there will be a voucher available for that student now or in the future, and vouchers run out when the funds do.
The vouchers will cost over $400 million dollars which will NOT go back into our public schools here.
The commercials there are showing how students move to private schools freeing up money is a complete and total LIE. The schools will still have to allocate just as much money as they did before.
Even if an eligible student is chosen by a private voucher school, there is no guarantee that there will be a voucher available for that student now or in the future, and vouchers run out when the funds do.
The way it is written now is very bad.
Vote NO on Referendum #1 TODAY!
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Hello,
I am in Utah and I am in favor of vouchers and will be voting for them. This comes from years of experience in trying to affect change within the current heavily-laden bureaucracy known as the Utah PTA/PTSA. It also comes from a dismal experience trying to get the school board to change (here in the Alpine school district) a certain evil known as investigative math. We tried for several years with no give, and because of parental frustration on this matter, charter schools have popped up (and flourished) everywhere. My son has been attending Renaissance Academy for two years and is absolutely thriving academically.
Furthermore, I am less than happy of the tactics the NEA/UEA have taken with regards to the vouchers. They have sat and whittled away the interest of the public school educational system for years. THEN when the vouchers are already passed, they feel the need to come and piss on what they feel is their territory (again, follow the money). Not giving suggestions or alternatives for improving the system, just making sure that their monopoly is protected.
I strongly feel like the public educational system needs competition in order to step up the quality of the school systems in America. If you do not agree that the public schools are failing our children, please see this video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pfRUMmTs0ZA
I am in Utah and I am in favor of vouchers and will be voting for them. This comes from years of experience in trying to affect change within the current heavily-laden bureaucracy known as the Utah PTA/PTSA. It also comes from a dismal experience trying to get the school board to change (here in the Alpine school district) a certain evil known as investigative math. We tried for several years with no give, and because of parental frustration on this matter, charter schools have popped up (and flourished) everywhere. My son has been attending Renaissance Academy for two years and is absolutely thriving academically.
Furthermore, I am less than happy of the tactics the NEA/UEA have taken with regards to the vouchers. They have sat and whittled away the interest of the public school educational system for years. THEN when the vouchers are already passed, they feel the need to come and piss on what they feel is their territory (again, follow the money). Not giving suggestions or alternatives for improving the system, just making sure that their monopoly is protected.
I strongly feel like the public educational system needs competition in order to step up the quality of the school systems in America. If you do not agree that the public schools are failing our children, please see this video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pfRUMmTs0ZA