Adam-ondi-Ahman

[_Doctor Steuss]

Are there no Adam-ondi-Ahaman apologetics?

KA

I recall reading something by George Potter on the topic. I believe it was in his book "Ten More Amazing Discoveries."

[_truth dancer]

Hey KA....

OK, I might be getting this wrong but If I recall correctly the story is something like... the Garden of Eden was originally in Missouri but after the flood, when Noah landed in the Middle East, they found a place similar to the actual Missour Eden and thought it was the same place as the original garden. And, the various rivers changed after the flood in Missouri which is why it does not resemble the Eden in Genesis.

Or something like that... :-)

~dancer~

[_Trevor]

Of course, the whole thing is a myth, and an enterprising person can claim to identify it in just about any spot. Why rule out Antarctica?

Cultures have a tendency to form their own mythical geographies--to tie themselves to the land through myth. The early Mormons were no different in this regard.

[_The Nehor]

Hey KA....

OK, I might be getting this wrong but If I recall correctly the story is something like... the Garden of Eden was originally in Missouri but after the flood, when Noah landed in the Middle East, they found a place similar to the actual Missour Eden and thought it was the same place as the original garden. And, the various rivers changed after the flood in Missouri which is why it does not resemble the Eden in Genesis.

Or something like that... :-)

~dancer~

That's one thought. Another is that there is no reason to think Noah even lived in Missouri. The timeframe from Adam to Noah involves over 1,500 years (according to biblical chronology). That's a long time with most likely a lot of migrations. If it was a local flood then Noah probably lived in the Fertile Crescent.

[_moksha]

I think of the Garden as bordering Oz, Neverland and the Shire. In terms of ancient geography, am I close?

[_Yong Xi]

The whole Adam Ondhi Ahman story is an obvious fabrication. Heber C. Kimball, in his journal, stated that Joseph Smith took Kimball and others to this spot and showed them stones stacked on one another. Joseph proclaimed these stones to be the altar made by Adam and Eve after expulsion from the Garden of Eden. Are we to believe that these stones were still stacked on each other after 6000 years?

Strange how Joseph Smith was always in the right place at the right time. He certainly had an imagination.

[_ludwigm]

Genesis ...

... Can those verses be reconciled with Joseph Smith's revelation? If not, which one is correct? Joseph Smith or the Bible? ...

The Joseph Smiths Translation of the Bible.

[_Scottie]

The whole Adam Ondhi Ahman story is an obvious fabrication. Heber C. Kimball, in his journal, stated that Joseph Smith took Kimball and others to this spot and showed them stones stacked on one another. Joseph proclaimed these stones to be the altar made by Adam and Eve after expulsion from the Garden of Eden. Are we to believe that these stones were still stacked on each other after 6000 years?

Strange how Joseph Smith was always in the right place at the right time. He certainly had an imagination.

This is what I remember about it too. That it was the alter used by Adam, not really anything to do with the GoE.

[_truth dancer]

An interesting link concerning Adam Ondi Ahman...

http://emp.byui.edu/SATTERFIELDB/Quotes ... Ahman.html

<> What is the gospel as taught by Jesus himself? The very first principle was faith in the Messiah; this was the first principle ever taught to man. When Adam, after being driven from the garden of Eden, went to Adam-ondi-Ahman to offer sacrifice, the angel of the Lord asked him why he did so. Adam replied that he did not know, but the Lord had commanded him to do it. He was then told that the blood of bulls and goats, of rams and lambs should be spilt upon the altar as a type of the great and last sacrifice which should be offered up for the sins of the world. The first principle, then, ever taught to Father Adam was faith in the Messiah, who was to come in the meridian of time to lay down his life for the redemption of man. (The Discourses of Wilford Woodruff, p.18)

At a conference of the Sunday School children in the old Tabernacle on the 30th of March (1873), Elder Woodruff reported Brigham Young as saying, "Joseph, the Prophet, told me that the Garden of Eden was in Jackson County, Missouri. When Adam was driven out he went to the place we now call Adam-ondi-Ahman, Daviess County, Missouri. There he built an altar and offered sacrifice." (Wilford Woodruff, p. 481)

It was in the night vision that all this was shown to Daniel, and he saw the Son of Man come to the grand council, as he did to the first grand council in the valley of Adam-ondi-Ahman, and there he received the keys from Adam "and there was given to him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed." (Dan. 7: 13-14.) In this council Christ will take over the reigns of government, officially, on this earth, and "the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him," even Jesus Christ. Until this grand council is held, Satan shall hold rule in the nations of the earth; but at that time thrones are to be cast down and man's rule shall come to an end -- for it is decreed that the Lord shall make an end of all nations. (D.C. 87:6.) Preparation for this work is now going on. Kingdoms are already tottering, some have fallen; but eventually they shall all go the way of the earth, and he shall come whose right it is to rule. Then shall he give the government to the saints of the Most High.
This council in the valley of Adam-ondi-Ahman is to be of the greatest importance to this world. At that time there will be a transfer of authority from the usurper and impostor, Lucifer, to the rightful King, Jesus Christ. Judgment will be set and all who have held keys will make their reports and deliver their stewardships, as they shall be required. Adam will direct this judgment, and then he will make his report, as the one holding the keys for this earth, to his Superior Officer, Jesus Christ. Our Lord will then assume the reins of government; directions will be given to the Priesthood; and He, whose right it is to rule, will be installed officially by the voice of the Priesthood there assembled. This grand council of Priesthood will be composed, not only of those who are faithful who now dwell on this earth, but also of the prophets and apostles of old, who have had directing authority. Others may also be there, but if so they will be there by appointment, for this is to be an official council called to attend to the most momentous matters ' concerning the destiny of this earth. (Joseph Fielding Smith, The Way to Perfection, p.289-291)

Bold mine.

~dancer~

[_John Larsen]

The whole Adam Ondhi Ahman story is an obvious fabrication. Heber C. Kimball, in his journal, stated that Joseph Smith took Kimball and others to this spot and showed them stones stacked on one another. Joseph proclaimed these stones to be the altar made by Adam and Eve after expulsion from the Garden of Eden. Are we to believe that these stones were still stacked on each other after 6000 years?

Strange how Joseph Smith was always in the right place at the right time. He certainly had an imagination.

Strange too how after Jesus' crucification, the entire face of the Americas was changed, except for that pile of rocks.

John