bigotry against Huckabee from the evolution believers

[_The Dude]

At least with Romney I have a reasonable hunch that he's actually an atheist-agnostic, only posturing as a religionist (a pseudo EV-Mormon) for the sake of electability.

I second your hunch. I suspect Romney because 1) His ease of flip-flopping on "moral" issues (or even political parties) tells me that faith isn't really that central to him--expediency is. 2) He really downplays Mormonism--IMO so much so that I get the feeling that he doesn't really think that much about it except as a family heritage thing.

Wow, your totally independent agreement almost bumps my "hunch" up to a new veracity bracket... but then DCP calls it "complete nonsense"... so it's falling, falling, back to a hunch.

[_Calculus Crusader]

Mike Huckabee's rejection of common descent does not bother me in the slightest degree.

[_Calculus Crusader]

Huckabee believes in ID, huh? Well that's a deal breaker for me, because he's probably being totally honest when he says he finds ID more compelling. At least with Romney I have a reasonable hunch that he's actually an atheist-agnostic, only posturing as a religionist (a pseudo EV-Mormon) for the sake of electability.

I don't think Mitt is particularly devout but I doubt he is an atheist or an agnostic.

[_asbestosman]

Wow, your totally independent agreement almost bumps my "hunch" up to a new veracity bracket... but then DCP calls it "complete nonsense"... so it's falling, falling, back to a hunch.

In all fairness, I revel in complete nonsense. Lewis Carroll is one of my heros.

I suspect Dr. Peterson is right. I also suspect my hunch was based on ingorance of politics. Most LDS members don't exactly have a shot at running for president--at least not of being backed by one of the main contending parties. I'm no fan of flip-flopping which just coincidentally coincides with the most politically expedient time for it to occur. I'm all for changing one's mind however. I'm just too cynical to believe that Mitt really changed his mind 180 degrees on some of those issues.

I think it also has to do with my ignorance of the media. I remember being surprised at how much Presidently Hinckley downplayed things in the Mike Wallace Interview and in the interviews with Larry King. I know as a missionary my Mission President would have been displeased had I not testified more boldly. And yet, perhaps he would have been fine if it was me on the media instead of me meeting someone at their home to testify. Anyhow, I suppose Mitt hasn't done any worse than that. I'm also certain that President Hinckley is NOT an agnostic.

And with politicians, I'm certain that President Bush is not an agnostic, but even he has changed his position on various things (like why we're in Iraq).

Cynicism is an ugly disease I suffer from. Perhaps it's time I went back to my happy world of video games and stayed away from the frustrating world of politicians who sell their souls for votes.

[_Sethbag]

I too admire a person who can change their mind in the face of a convincing argument contrary to his or her previous opinion. But in Romney's case, as you suggest, it was just too obvious by the timing that his "changes of mind" happened right when it became politically expedient for them to do so.

[_Zoidberg]

Yes, religious bigotry at its finest. Everyone knows that evolution is just a theory and that Darwin was an atheist. Need I say more? We don't want a president who has anything to do with atheists.

We abhor socialized health care for the same reason.

Intelligent Design and FSMism should get equal representation. As well as the theory that the world was created by the Invisible Pink Unicorn. And, of course, that the Earth was made by two giant lobsters named Esmeralda and Keith.

Huckabee demonstrated incredible open-mindedness when he said that he would not oppose to teaching evolution in public schools. Why can't the evolution-believing bigots grant his views the same respect? Especially since his views actually deserve it, unlike their abominable idea that the first humans were not made of dirt.

[_asbestosman]

Yes, religious bigotry at its finest. Everyone knows that evolution is just a theory and that Darwin was an atheist. Need I say more?

Actually, I seem to recall atheists speculating that Darwin was an atheist, but wished to soften the blow of his theory when he published his book. "Darwin's dangerous idea" really does do away with one of the biggest reasons people believe in God. It's not that evolution contradicts Genesis, but that evolution goes against intuition that a designer must have created all the different animals we see, whether that designer is YHWH, Allah, or a deistic deity.

We don't want a president who has anything to do with atheists.

Many of the founding fathers probably did not believe in God as I do and many would probably be atheists if alive today. Darwin's theory made it possible to be an intellectually satisfied atheist instead of a Deist. That said, even smart men like Einstein who lived after Darwin have been Deists.

[_The Nehor]

At least with Romney I have a reasonable hunch that he's actually an atheist-agnostic, only posturing as a religionist (a pseudo EV-Mormon) for the sake of electability.

I second your hunch. I suspect Romney because 1) His ease of flip-flopping on "moral" issues (or even political parties) tells me that faith isn't really that central to him--expediency is. 2) He really downplays Mormonism--IMO so much so that I get the feeling that he doesn't really think that much about it except as a family heritage thing.

I doubt your hunch. I know eight people involved in his campaign, three of them at high levels. When I ask about this, they say he's dead serious about his faith.

[_asbestosman]

I doubt your hunch. I know eight people involved in his campaign, three of them at high levels. When I ask about this, they say he's dead serious about his faith.

I doubt my hunch now too for reasons I explained above.

I'm still not particularly comfortable with the "coincidental" change on stances. That doesn't mean I wouldn't elect someone who had flip-flopped so long as I think said person will best represent me in political decisions.