Mormon Brainwashing

[_guy sajer]

"I will never permit my children to be raised in the cult of Mormonism."

I wonder if anyone sees the irony in this comment alone. That is the most brainwashed comment I have ever heard. By your own hand, you plan to brainwash your children into believing Mormonism is a cult and you will disapprove of them if they join.

Anything can be viewed as brainwashing.

JMS

Would he be brainwashed if he said that "I will never permit my children to be raised in the cult of Heaven's Gate?"

As a parent, recognizing harmful institutions and beliefs and steering your children away from them hardly qualifies as "brainwashed" or "brainwashing."

[_jskains]

Anyhow, yes, the church does indeed brainwash people. Just look at all the convoluted excuses Mormons come up with to explain away Brigham Young's Adam-God doctrine instead of just admitting the obvious--that he meant precisely what he said, that Adam and God are the same person.

So because people have alternative ideas that don't match your own beliefs, it must be brainwashing?

Failing that, you can look at all the wierd excuses Mormons come up with to explain away the Book of Abraham. If it were any other religion's problem, Mormons would say that it proves that that other religion's prophet made the whole thing up. But thanks to the brainwashing, they simply cannot admit the obvious.

It is obvious to YOU because that is how YOU interpret the events. Because someone interprets those events differently than you, we automatically are brainwashed? Isn't that a logical fallacy?

It's the 21st century. There's no such thing as a surprise pregnancy anymore. Careless, perhaps, but not "surprise."

Wow, your as big a jerk as ever. Yes it was a suprise. Perhaps you need to return to school.. Even in the 21st century, contraceptives are only really 95% effective. That means if a couple is having sex for a long time, the odds are they eventually have to fall into that 5% (shock!)

JMS

[_jskains]

Would he be brainwashed if he said that "I will never permit my children to be raised in the cult of Heaven's Gate?"

*eyeroll* That was very adult... Mormonism is constantly asking people to drink poison filled oatmeal. Folks say "I will never let my kid move to America because it is a horrid evil place that is void of the spirit of Allah!" That certainly isn't brainwashing...[/quote]

As a parent, recognizing harmful institutions and beliefs and steering your children away from them hardly qualifies as "brainwashed" or "brainwashing."

There is a fine line between opinions and facts. Fact is no one has died from Mormonism and its teachings. Lots died in heaven's gate.

So yes, in the end he is brainwashing his children to believe Mormonism is an evil cult, which is just as bad if not worse than anything Mormonism has supposedly done.

JMS

[_silentkid]

I was missing for 3 months.

Cool. Did you check the lost and found? Did you put your picture up on telephone poles?

I'm with guy here. I think indoctrination is a more applicable term. The other day my six year old nephew was telling me about the dimensions of Noah's Ark. Why should he care? He's six. My sister's kids know all the Articles of Faith by heart. Why? They should be outside, playing in the mud, enjoying life. Church is boring.

[_harmony]

Now that I am going to be a father, I have grown closer to the Church and feel it is a positive light in a very dark world.

Congratulations! And it's good to see you haven't allowed your upcoming fatherhood to change you even one bit.

[_jskains]

I'm with guy here. I think indoctrination is a more applicable term. The other day my six year old nephew was telling me about the dimensions of Noah's Ark. Why should he care? He's six. My sister's kids know all the Articles of Faith by heart. Why? They should be outside, playing in the mud, enjoying life. Church is boring.

Many churches teach their children their ideas from a very young age. Some baptist churches remarked how proud they were that their kids could recite percise Bible verses from memory.. How is that any different?

JMS

[_jskains]

Now that I am going to be a father, I have grown closer to the Church and feel it is a positive light in a very dark world.

Congratulations! And it's good to see you haven't allowed your upcoming fatherhood to change you even one bit.

I see age hasn't changed you much either. Your still a bitter Anti-Mormon. *shrug*

JMS

[_guy sajer]

Would he be brainwashed if he said that "I will never permit my children to be raised in the cult of Heaven's Gate?"

*eyeroll* That was very adult... Mormonism is constantly asking people to drink poison filled oatmeal. Folks say "I will never let my kid move to America because it is a horrid evil place that is void of the spirit of Allah!" That certainly isn't brainwashing...

As a parent, recognizing harmful institutions and beliefs and steering your children away from them hardly qualifies as "brainwashed" or "brainwashing."

There is a fine line between opinions and facts. Fact is no one has died from Mormonism and its teachings. Lots died in heaven's gate.

So yes, in the end he is brainwashing his children to believe Mormonism is an evil cult, which is just as bad if not worse than anything Mormonism has supposedly done.

JMS[/quote]

*big eyeroll* Since when is drinking (?) poison filled oatmeal (or generally suicide or even more generally bodily harm) the sole determinant of harmful?

As a believer, I don't expect you to see or understand the many negative impacts Mormonism has had on many families and individuals. Read up on this and become enlightened. There's hundreds of case studies out there if you choose to look.

Your reasoning doesn't follow. Teaching your children that Mormonism has, or can have, certain harmful effects is hardly brainwashing.

You started out complaining that we critics use the term brainwashing too liberally, and you've now expanded the definition way past anything critics would use.

[_silentkid]

Many churches teach their children their ideas from a very young age. Some baptist churches remarked how proud they were that their kids could recite percise Bible verses from memory.. How is that any different?

JMS

It's not any different. All religious indoctrination is wrong. Teach your children ethics.

[_harmony]

I was missing for 3 months.

Cool. Did you check the lost and found? Did you put your picture up on telephone poles?

I'm with guy here. I think indoctrination is a more applicable term. The other day my six year old nephew was telling me about the dimensions of Noah's Ark. Why should he care? He's six. My sister's kids know all the Articles of Faith by heart. Why? They should be outside, playing in the mud, enjoying life. Church is boring.

When my oldest was tested to see if he could start kindergarten a year early, he was asked to tell the story of Mary Had a Little Lamb. He couldn't. He didn't know that story. Had he been asked to tell the story of Noah, he could have, because he knew that story.

There is a place for playing in the mud and a place for learning about values and stories that are important to the child's family. One need not cancel out the other.