Is God A Misogynist?

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The Nehor wrote:This is why I need to finish the JST. Working on it.

Women in the Bible:

Instructions for Women


LOL! The Instructions for Marriage is funnier.

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Instructions for Marriage
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Re: Is God A Misogynist?

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Runtu wrote:
Belial wrote:
God's pretense of unconditional love is a sham. God's good and that of his human scum are two distinct things. Hell is still trying to figure out what his motives are with this ridiculous farce.


What pretense is that? According to Elder Nelson, God's love is not and never has been unconditional. Which church do you belong to?

And the Belial act is getting pretty damn old, Nehor. Just sayin'.


Elder Nelson was wrong.

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Heh - great minds Liz ;)
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RenegadeOfPhunk wrote:
The Nehor wrote:This is why I need to finish the JST. Working on it.

Women in the Bible:

Instructions for Women


Heh! I prefer this one:
Instructions for Marriage


LOL

Great minds!

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Most of the gods as written in many MAN made texts certainly are mysogynist. Personally, I think many of the writers of the Bible were gay. For those who weren't the reason why the woman is not much more than property is because too many bronze age mind sets (including those who still think the Bible is a book of love), the female has 4 jobs:

Cooking

Cleaning

Recreation

Procreation

If there is a god or gods, and they did create this universe/multiverse I doubt if they care a whit about us. It's like this. If you were to build a house, do you care a rat's behind about the dust mites living somewhere in the corner? Do you even really know where they are? Seems to me a god of "biblical proportions" we would be mites at best. We have no way even knowing how to comprehend such a being(s).
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RenegadeOfPhunk wrote:God issuing orders like that


In the New Testament, the law is even referred to as the "ministry of death" and "ministry of condemnation," and is called "glorious:"

2 Corinthians 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious

2 Corinthians 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory,

KimberlyAnn wrote:if I were a young woman living in Old Testament times who's husband were unsatisfied with me and accused me of not being a virgin on my wedding night, that if for some reason my bed sheet were bloodless, I would kill myself before my father was forced to stone me to death. It seems like that would be a very traumatic thing for a father to do to his daughter.


Joseph (Mary's wife, not Smith), when he found out his wife was pregnant, was unwilling to "make a public example of her" and was going to "put her away privately" rather than what he could have done, that is to turn her over to her father to be stoned.

I think Joseph looked at the law a little differently than others did. In James we're told that mercy rejoiceth against judgment - maybe that is why Joseph wanted to put his fiance away privately, to show mercy upon her, fulfilling the weightier part of the law - I desire mercy, not sacrifice.

Selected other parts of that section of Corinthians read like this:

2 Corinthians 3:6 ... not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

2 Corinthians 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

Maybe the spirit is a spirit of showing mercy towards others in spite of wrongs or even perceived wrongs.

I don't know if this addresses any of the concerns of the original post, but this is part of what I try to hang on to. Not very successfully, most of the time, it turns out.
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Abinadi's Fire wrote:In the New Testament, the law is even referred to as the "ministry of death" and "ministry of condemnation," and is called "glorious:"

2 Corinthians 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious

2 Corinthians 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory,

What I find interesting is to find examples of stuff that could possibly be labeled 'Misogyny' (or other areas that are a bit uncomfortable), you have to look 'outside' the Gospels.
...i.e. where some guy is saying:

"Yeah - this is what Christ would say if he was here. Nudge nudge wink wink".

Maybe there are examples in the Gospels that I'm overlooking, but I think generally you can see that Jesus really was ahead of his time morally. It's just that his followers couldn't quite keep up. They still had 'Old Testament God' on the brain to some extent. At least that's what I believe...
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RenegadeOfPhunk wrote:
Abinadi's Fire wrote:In the New Testament, the law is even referred to as the "ministry of death" and "ministry of condemnation," and is called "glorious:"

2 Corinthians 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious

2 Corinthians 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory,

What I find interesting is to find examples of stuff that could possibly be labeled 'Misogyny' (or other areas that are a bit uncomfortable), you have to look 'outside' the Gospels.
...I.e. where some guy is saying:

"Yeah - this is what Christ would say if he was here. Nudge nudge wink wink".

Maybe there are examples in the Gospels that I'm overlooking, but I think generally you can see that Jesus really was ahead of his time morally. It's just that his followers couldn't quite keep up. They still had 'Old Testament God' on the brain to some extent. At least that's what I believe...


There is something to this. In accounts about the Apostles you find them very uncomfortable around Mary, the mother of the Savior. The Apostles weren't sure how she fit in and had some nervousness around her. Peter was the peacemaker between them. This very human tension makes me trust most of these sources.
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RenegadeOfPhunk wrote:Maybe there are examples in the Gospels that I'm overlooking, but I think generally you can see that Jesus really was ahead of his time morally. It's just that his followers couldn't quite keep up. They still had 'Old Testament God' on the brain to some extent. At least that's what I believe...


Good point - though here is one example which shows at least some of his disciples "got it" or perhaps at the very least were "learning to get it":

John 4:27 And upon this came his disciples, and marvelled that he talked with the woman: yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why talkest thou with her?
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Of course, there is another possibility for why they "marvelled" that Jesus was speaking with that woman.

She was an "unclean" Samaritan:

John 4:9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.
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