The Handcarts Again..

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_the road to hana
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capt jack wrote:Here's a link to the official manual for treks.

The most disturbing activity:

Baby Dolls (NOTE: permission is needed from trek site to perform this activity)

This can be a good experience but it needs to be handled with great respect and should be something that your group feels prompted to do.

Each family at the beginning of trek is given a baby doll that they name and take turns carrying throughout the trek. One effective way to give the families the baby is to have a woman along the trail who talks individually with each family as they pass. She explains that her husband and other children have died and that she is sick and can not go on, she asks the family to take her baby to Zion. Or a father holding his real daughter can say that his wife had died giving birth and he can not care for the new child and his other children.

Some groups on the day of the "solo" (described later) inform the families that the babies have died and that they are to bury them. It is important that the Ma’s and Pa’s are prepared beforehand for this experience. When they bury the doll the Ma’s and Pa’s explain that it is just a doll but to think of what the pioneers experienced. They may share pioneer stories and talk about the joy the knowledge of the resurrection brings us. Other groups have people come and take the dolls, asking the youth to report about how they have cared for the dolls.


The church really needs to put a stop to these sorts of activities.

http://www.fort.usgs.gov/Research/resea ... askID=2159
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Some Important Facts About The Handcart Companies :

The morg had already set up a very standardized way of getting the new converts across the plains, and these immigrants were crossing the plains as a part of that official program. They were mostly English converts and had no concept of western travel so they wouldn't have a clue to do it on their own, so TSCC was the official outfitter here. However BY, notorious cheapskate that he was, was looking for less expensive means to cross (teams and wagons were pricey). So he dreamed up the handcart scheme (oh wait, God did and revealed it to BY. Sorry).

BY also surrounded himself with "yes men" who feared the consequences of failing in their mission. So when they were running behind schedule they slapped together the handcarts with greenwood (not cured) and other poor materials and sent them out very late in the spring. Some of the more knowledgeable morg leaders knew they were exposing them to considerable risk but their voiced concerns fell on deaf ears.

They lost more time when the carts kept breaking down.

At one point Apostle Richards and his well outfitted entourage passed the Willie Company in their wagons. He stopped for a day or two for some preaching, publicly rebuked a dissenter who had encouraged them to winter before getting into the Rockys, and prophecied that they would reach the SL valley without even a hair on their head being lost. He then requested some beef and they gave him their best cow. He said they'd be resupplied at Fort Laramie.

When they got to Fort Laramie there was nothing for them and they had to cut rations more deeply. When the snowstorms hit that's when death set in in a major way. 1/4 of the Martin and 1/6 of the Willie Company perished.

Read Mary Burton's account in the book "Tell It All" by Fanny Stenhouse or Ann Eliza Young's account in "Wife No. 19". Nee Webb, her father was a wagon builder who was in Florence (the point of departure) and in the Richards party that passed them by.


Less Than 3% Of Mormon Pioneers Traveled By Handcart:

Approximately 70,000 Mormons migrated to the Salt Lake Valley before the completion of the railroad in 1869. Brigham Young started use of handcarts in 1856 to cut the cost of travel for all the poor European converts. There were ten handcart companies that crossed the plains between 1856 and 1860. Even after 222 people from the Willie and Martin Companies died from exposure, they kept using the handcarts till 1860.

Of the 70,000 immigrants that migrated before 1869, only 3000, or less than 5% traveled by handcart. Few Mormons actually went west solely by wagon as well. Before 1869 approximately 34,000, or 49% traveled much of the way by train. After the completion of the railroad the remaining 30,000-40,000 traveled from the east coast all the way to Ogden, UT by train. The total number of migrants eventually exceeded 100,000 so less than 3% came by handcart.

Most of the hype and reenactments started during the church's Sesquicentennial celebrations in 1998. They wanted to do some major PR stuff and thus the Willie and Martin Handcart memorial in Wyoming and all the stake youth conferences started doing the reenactments. I went on one myself. That's a long story I should share sometime. It was discovered at this time that for these past 150 years, no one had thought to do the temple work for those that died on the trail. So, of course there was much testimony bearing about it. All of this focus on these very poor, neglected pioneers fits right in with the, we have it so hard/we are so persecuted/aren't we wonderful", complex of the church.

All of my Mormon ancestors, as well as my husband's family, came across the plains and many died. Through their biographies and journals we have come to realize that they accomplished an amazing feat. I don't know if I could, or even would, make the effort. I am saddened because of the sacrifices they made and the suffering they endured.


They Hijacked A Beautiful Part Of Wyoming:

Every year I drive through Wyoming. The stretch between Rawlins and Casper has some beautiful natural lanmarks, including Independence Rock and the Devil's Gate.

Now?...the Mormon church has hijacked the area with signs, visitor's centers and white shirted missionaries, all exploiting the Willie and Martin tragedy.

You would think it was the only thing that ever happened in the area.

Fact is, it is at the crossroads of the Oregon Trail, California Trail, Mormon Trail and the Pony Express.

But the Mormons want you to think the their "history" is more important. I doubt that you will get the numbers that Cr@ig has listed, the proportions of handcart v. wagon train.

It's just more fodder for the Mormon Mythology Machine.

They were a drop in the bucket.

The area is too beautiful to focus on the dire results of an "inspired" prophet's decisions...unless they want to say the people died becasue Brigham was a cheap bastard...well then, I'd be less averse to the whole thing. But no...Brigham was a Godling, and these folks are all martyrs.


Read more here: http://www.mormoncurtain.com/topic_mormonhandcarts.html

Handcarts play on the Mormon Cult's continued reaffirmation of suffering and persecution complex models. Now it is a marketing gimic by the Cult - used to pull at the heart strings of potential new income (read: members).
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the road to hana wrote:
The church really needs to put a stop to these sorts of activities.

http://www.fort.usgs.gov/Research/resea ... askID=2159


That's an interesting report, hana.

While, I don't have a problem with trying to find ways to interest young people in history, nor with teaching young LDS about elements of Mormon history, I do think there are many other neglected aspects of that history that would make for fantastic learning opportunities and I'm not just talking about the obvious "hidden" or "white-washed" aspects. Mormon/Utah history is fascinating and there are plenty of "positive" (though I'm sure I mean something different by that than what current church authorities do) elements which could be made into pedagogical experiences less harmful to the environment and human critical capacity. It would be fun to try to put together a prospectus for just such an approach---a counter Utah history which gave its tragic elements a new dignity by providing a new roster of "Mormon heros." I almost suggested such a thing in Moksha's John Dehlin thread in the Celestial forum, but have not had the time yet (I also would need to place such a project within a critique of Dehlin's podcast which I have many disagreements with).
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Inconceivable wrote:My wife told me tonight that the stake is going to have their special Handcart Trek again this summer. I don't like it. I don't like what the leaders are attempting to teach my TBM teenagers.

For those that don't know what this is. The stake sponsors a 2 day/night trek in the wilderness where teenagers are assigned mothers/fathers/siblings and are to push a handcart for a load of miles - to strengthen their faith in the "church". Yes, I am expected to sign a waiver so that the church or it's leaders are not liable for negligence when my kid gets sucked under a wheel.

Here's some of what I am disturbed with:

Handcarting was an act of desperate poor people. People that should have been encouraged to prepare every needful thing for a season before a nearly impossible journey. But perhaps that would not have done. Maybe a season with outsiders would have educated them of the truth of Mormonism.

Imagine you are baptised in your native country. By the time you stand in front of your handcart (with your wife and children), you:

1) Have been disowned by your family in your native homeland
2) Sold all that you had to arrive at your handcart and now have nothing
3) Are seperated from your homeland by many miles of unfamiliar earth and a large ocean
4) May not even know the language
5) Really have no idea what is really in store for you and your family - on the journey or what is really waiting in Utah.

Now, 500 miles into the trek shoving a handcart, burying your children, caring for your sick wife, are you going to quit? Can you quit? No.

Turning around would be unthinkable:
1) The food, rifles, amunition are now being rationed by the teamster/scout. You only have what little you've mostly used up - because you are poor.
2) At least one of your family is very sick
3) You cannot seperate from the group. The territory is hostile. Lamanites (well, native asians), bandits, predatory animals, steep mountain passes that require the strength of more than one man to propell the handcart. AND the impending weather give you no choice but to trudge on.

You have no options. So you press on and hope to God that the handcart party leader's name is not DONNER.

Suppose you make it to Salt Lake. Odds are that you have come to know the God of the universe because you were one of the walking dead for these many hundreds of miles. Now your journey has just begun. It is not a land flowing with milk and honey. And there are strange new laws that no one had ever mentioned. Laws you thought were antimormon rumors.

Even if you wanted to leave, escape would be unthinkable. You are now 1500 miles from civilized society.

What other choice did these poor people have than to shutup and assimulate?


Of course the journals I have read make it sound like they would spit at your pity.
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I understand, at least to some degree the dynamics that brought the early LDS members to SLC.

Having said this, there is something twisted about praising the decisions of parents who make choices knowing their children will be harmed and quite possibly die.

I shudder when I hear people claim their ancestors, whose children froze to death on the trek, were happy to have made the trek because they were obedient to the Lord and knew they would be together again someday. Of course to admit they made a mistake or even entertain the idea the church was not true would not have been a possibility, so I understand their need to continue to believe. Still, the message sent to youth that obedience is more important than the life of one's children doesn't set well with me.... remnants of Abraham. (sigh)

Today, when we hear stories of parent consciously putting their children in harms way we are not so eager to cheer and honor them.

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The Nehor wrote:Of course the journals I have read make it sound like they would spit at your pity.


Yes, I've read some of the journal accounts too, Nehor, and they tug at my heart strings. I read the one that is also thrown to the pulpit about criticizing the leaders for letting the fated party's go. Of course the criticism of the critics was done by a survivor - not one of the poor abandoned forgotten dead that didn't even get their temple work done till a few years ago.

But I've also read journal accounts written by myself while serving a mission and at other times in my life. I know my mind set and I remember some of the painful physical as well as mental & spiritual struggles I endured. I did stupid things exercizing "great faith" hoping I would be blessed for my sacrifices - albeit small compared to those celestial handcart companies - I could never measure up. And neither can you.

We will all fall short or this type of sacrifice, so let's all shutup and just sing "all is well" as we walk and walk and walk... and walk.
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Inconceivable wrote:
The Nehor wrote:Of course the journals I have read make it sound like they would spit at your pity.


Yes, I've read some of the journal accounts too, Nehor, and they tug at my heart strings. I read the one that is also thrown to the pulpit about criticizing the leaders for letting the fated party's go. Of course the criticism of the critics was done by a survivor - not one of the poor abandoned forgotten dead that didn't even get their temple work done till a few years ago.

But I've also read journal accounts written by myself while serving a mission and at other times in my life. I know my mind set and I remember some of the painful physical as well as mental & spiritual struggles I endured. I did stupid things exercizing "great faith" hoping I would be blessed for my sacrifices - albeit small compared to those celestial handcart companies - I could never measure up. And neither can you.

We will all fall short or this type of sacrifice, so let's all shutup and just sing "all is well" as we walk and walk and walk... and walk.


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The Nehor wrote:Of course the journals I have read make it sound like they would spit at your pity.


Why? What did those journals say?
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Dr. Shades wrote:
The Nehor wrote:Of course the journals I have read make it sound like they would spit at your pity.


Why? What did those journals say?


First of all the trek was not unrelenting misery.

They believed what they were doing was worth it. Giving them pity is demeaning to what they believed and wanted. Akin to pitying women who chose to enter plural marriage. It's amazing how many people are willing to be offended on behalf of those they've never met and who seem unoffended themselves.
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The Nehor wrote:First of all the trek was not unrelenting misery.

They believed what they were doing was worth it.


And you base this assessment on what % of how many journals read?
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