Mormon bar owners

[_the road to hana]

It's not soft port. My, uh, friend told me. Soft port is people pretending to have sex and all you really see is breasts.

They could certainly do without the port at the Marriott hotels but they wouldn't go far at all if they stopped serving alcohol (wedding receptions, their bars, etc.)

It's not "soft porn" at all. It's definitely adult movies, and plenty of hotel chains manage to get by these days without offering an adult movie line-up as part of their pay-per-view in-room movie package. Marriotts are conspicuous in their participation in having adult movie offerings.

Anyone who doubts this, go into a Westin, Sheraton, Radisson or Hilton these days and then go into a Marriott and compare.

I've been to many of those and I choose not to compare. Now if you'll excuse me I need to get back to my gay porn. ;)

One doesn't have to view the porn to know that it's there. Many hotel chains don't offer adult channels at all; that's clearly seen in their lineups.

Marriotts clearly offer an adult channel.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A961948260

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/artic ... otel_porn/

[_Moniker]

From the first link posted above:

Stephen P. Weisz, a vice president of Marriott Hotels and Resorts, is also Marriott's film critic. He watches about three adult films a week. His criterion: The films cannot be more explicit than those run late at night by HBO, which can also be seen in Marriott hotels.

That doesn't sound like hard core porn, to me. Apparently we're working with different definitions of "soft" and "hard".

by the way, I think it's great that a hotel owned by a Saint has this available. Sure doesn't sound like he has a real hangup with the masturbation taboo. Encouraging masturbation for profit?

[_Doctor Steuss]

From the thread title, I thought this was going to be about Joseph Smith and O.P. Rockwell.

[_the road to hana]

From the first link posted above:

Stephen P. Weisz, a vice president of Marriott Hotels and Resorts, is also Marriott's film critic. He watches about three adult films a week. His criterion: The films cannot be more explicit than those run late at night by HBO, which can also be seen in Marriott hotels.

That doesn't sound like hard core porn, to me. Apparently we're working with different definitions of "soft" and "hard".

I don't know what your own personal definitions are. Generally, the accepted definition of hard core pornography is that it contains explicit sexual acts as opposed to soft core pornography which might suggest or simulate it.

Have you seen programming on HBO in recent years? It tends to be extremely explicit.

We're not talking about R-rated films here. The adult films run by Marriott in their hotel pay-per-view film lineup are absolutely hard core explicit adult pornography.

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,680197653,00.html

[_krose]

I wonder if the church would be just as willing to look the other way in the case of someone who was selling erotic magazines and videos from a sidewalk booth or a web site, or running a liquor-only store. Being insulated from the actual distribution by layers of management and not actually touching the products (or offering them as a sideline product rather than the core product) may be the key, but is there really a difference?

As a side note, I do remember reading that members in Vegas were given the okay to work as dealers in a casino, I assume because doing otherwise would limit good job options. That true, Stu?

[Guest]

From the first link posted above:

Stephen P. Weisz, a vice president of Marriott Hotels and Resorts, is also Marriott's film critic. He watches about three adult films a week. His criterion: The films cannot be more explicit than those run late at night by HBO, which can also be seen in Marriott hotels.

That doesn't sound like hard core porn, to me. Apparently we're working with different definitions of "soft" and "hard".

I don't know what your own personal definitions are. Generally, the accepted definition of hard core pornography is that it contains explicit sexual acts as opposed to soft core pornography which might suggest or simulate it.

Have you seen programming on HBO in recent years? It tends to be extremely explicit.

We're not talking about R-rated films here. The adult films run by Marriott in their hotel pay-per-view film lineup are absolutely hard core explicit adult pornography.

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,680197653,00.html

Yah, I've seen late night HBO...

I just did a google for HBO and soft and hardcore and apparently HBO isn't really seen as hardcore by anyone I could find on google?

Here's wikis newer definition of soft core:

Some softcore porn, especially recently, is more explicit in that penises or vulvae are shown as well as contact in those areas.

Anyway, I don't really care. Seriously. Unless I'm paying for it, then I might care? I'll take it that it's seen as hard-core by others and accept that.

I'm editing this for the 3rd time because I now wish I'd never replied. :)

[_Doctor Steuss]

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As a side note, I do remember reading that members in Vegas were given the okay to work as dealers in a casino, I assume because doing otherwise would limit good job options. That true, Stu?

Hola Cousin,

I've never heard of an official “okay” that was given, but at the same time I've never heard anything stating what jobs a person can't have. I've known one LDS person who was a dealer. I also dated an LDS gal that I met while attending the University Ward that was a bar-tender. As for whether either of these people had temple recommends, I can’t say. I have also known a few people who worked for casinos outside of the tables (If I recall correctly, one as a janitor, one that was a game tech, two that were in administrative/hospitality positions, and a handful of valet dudes). Again, I can’t say with certainty whether they had recommends though.

I’d imagine that there is probably an unspoken “okay” that exists, as I can’t see how you could justify someone working in one aspect of a casino, but not another. Also, maybe Vegas is different than Utah as I’ve never really seen any type of overbearing meddling in regards to what is acceptable employment and what isn’t. For the most part, I think we’re just grateful when someone isn’t doing favors for the Russian mob, or a crack-whore.

[_skippy the dead]

. . . or a crack-whore.

Or an assistant crack-whore.

(for the hard core SNL fans)

[_The Nehor]

. . . or a crack-whore.

Or an assistant crack-whore.

(for the hard core SNL fans)

Crap....someone beat me to it.....

[_Mercury]

Wow! I assumed it would be soft porn. I didn't know any chain offered hard core. Of course, if you must view porn what's the point of watching soft?

I work for the largest Hospitality company in the world. We offer hard and soft core "Adult Entertainment" options. Marriott gets the same programming. Its all from Lodgenet.

Also in Vegas, a 7-11 store was/is owned by a Mormon family friend located near UMC. He had no problem with alcohol, cigarettes, etc but ethically speaking I can't see how this should be allowed.

Historically, houses of ill repute were owned and operated by Mormon prophets.