Joseph's First Vision--official contradiction?

[_moksha]

Did anyone's Gospel Doctrine class have a discussion on there being more than one version of the First Vision?

LOL! Good one.

I was serious on this question. There was no mention of this in our class. I suspect such a discussion could only occur in a ward located within a four mile radius to a university.

[_Who Knows]

Did anyone's Gospel Doctrine class have a discussion on there being more than one version of the First Vision?

LOL! Good one.

I was serious on this question. There was no mention of this in our class. I suspect such a discussion could only occur in a ward located within a four mile radius to a university.

Then why didn't you bring it up?

[_Pokatator]

Did anyone's Gospel Doctrine class have a discussion on there being more than one version of the First Vision?

We had ward conference this week. I will report back next week after we have this lesson.

Charity, rather than just "report", why don't you ask the question about multiple First Vision accounts?

[_charity]

Did anyone's Gospel Doctrine class have a discussion on there being more than one version of the First Vision?

We had ward conference this week. I will report back next week after we have this lesson.

Charity, rather than just "report", why don't you ask the question about multiple First Vision accounts?

Why should that come up? The purpose of the lesson is not to teach multiple accounts of the First Vision, the explanation for different facts in each acocunt. This is not a history lesson. It is a lesson about the "teachings" of the Propeht Joseph Smith. The following are listed as lessons we can learn.


*The example Joseph Smith provides for us as we seek answers to our questions. As you study his account of the First Vision, what do you learn about reading the scriptures? about pondering? about prayer?

•The truths Joseph Smith learned about God the Father and Jesus Christ when he received the First Vision. Why must each of us have a testimony of the First Vision.

• When Joseph told others of the First Vision, many people became prejudiced against him and persecuted him. Why do you think people reacted in this way? Ponder Joseph’s response to the persecution. How can we follow his example when we face persecution or other trials?

• When you first learned of the First Vision, what effect did the account have on you? What effect has it had on you since then? In what ways have you been strengthened as you have studied the account again in this chapter?

Can you see anywhere in here a place for a discussion of why we don't repeat verbatim an account of a significant event in our lives?

[_Pokatator]

Did anyone's Gospel Doctrine class have a discussion on there being more than one version of the First Vision?

We had ward conference this week. I will report back next week after we have this lesson.

Charity, rather than just "report", why don't you ask the question about multiple First Vision accounts?

Why should that come up? The purpose of the lesson is not to teach multiple accounts of the First Vision, the explanation for different facts in each acocunt. This is not a history lesson. It is a lesson about the "teachings" of the Propeht Joseph Smith. The following are listed as lessons we can learn.


*The example Joseph Smith provides for us as we seek answers to our questions. As you study his account of the First Vision, what do you learn about reading the scriptures? about pondering? about prayer?

•The truths Joseph Smith learned about God the Father and Jesus Christ when he received the First Vision. Why must each of us have a testimony of the First Vision.

• When Joseph told others of the First Vision, many people became prejudiced against him and persecuted him. Why do you think people reacted in this way? Ponder Joseph’s response to the persecution. How can we follow his example when we face persecution or other trials?

• When you first learned of the First Vision, what effect did the account have on you? What effect has it had on you since then? In what ways have you been strengthened as you have studied the account again in this chapter?

Can you see anywhere in here a place for a discussion of why we don't repeat verbatim an account of a significant event in our lives?

Well pray tell what was your offer to return and report about? Your response makes that offer seem totally disingenuous!

[_Yoda]

Did anyone's Gospel Doctrine class have a discussion on there being more than one version of the First Vision?

LOL! Good one.

I was serious on this question. There was no mention of this in our class. I suspect such a discussion could only occur in a ward located within a four mile radius to a university.

Couldn't help ya, little penguin. I play the piano for Primary.

;)

I love my calling.

[_charity]

Well pray tell what was your offer to return and report about?

About what happened in class. I didn't say I would start anything.

Your response makes that offer seem totally disingenuous!

I odn't understand the paranoia here. "I meant what I said, and I said what I meant" to quote Horton. What was disingenous?


P.S. If I were the teacher and someone brought that question up, I would direct them to the FAIR website, and not waste any time in class on it.

[_the road to hana]

A more pertinent question would be, what does it matter if a detail here or there is out of place, or misremembered?

In Joseph Smith's case, the "details out of place" include who actually visited him. That's not minor, and goes completely to credibility.

[_Pokatator]

Well pray tell what was your offer to return and report about?

About what happened in class. I didn't say I would start anything.

Your response makes that offer seem totally disingenuous!

I odn't understand the paranoia here. "I meant what I said, and I said what I meant" to quote Horton. What was disingenous?


P.S. If I were the teacher and someone brought that question up, I would direct them to the FAIR website, and not waste any time in class on it.

Then there wouldn't have been anything to report because you would have seen to it. That's a disingenuous offer. One thing I am pretty sure of is that you would not be as condescending there as you are here.

[_SatanWasSetUp]

Why should that come up? The purpose of the lesson is not to teach multiple accounts of the First Vision, the explanation for different facts in each acocunt.

But many apologists (maybe not you) claim that the issues we discuss on the Internet are talked about in church all the time, and that all the members know about them, or at least should know about them. It seems if this is the case, the best time to talk about the multiple accounts of the first vision in church would be during the lesson from the Joseph Smith manual entitled "The First Vision." Is there not a better time to talk about this issue in church?