A very wise person said to me that we are not required to give Satan equal time, in the interest of being "fair."
I believe it was Elder Packer in his infamous "Mantle" speech to church educators.
People keep guessing wrong. It was an elderly lady in a ward I was in 30 years ago.
That was just her opinion. Why do you believe her? 30 years ago, elderly Mormons believed lots of crazy things which we now know are not doctrine. A Mormon who was elderly in the 1970s probably grew up in the church in the 1920s. Imagine the types of "doctrine" she learned.
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"We of this Church do not rely on any man-made statement concerning the nature of Deity. Our knowledge comes directly from the personal experience of Joseph Smith." - Gordon B. Hinckley
"It's wrong to criticize leaders of the Mormon Church even if the criticism is true." - Dallin H. Oaks
No, her comments weren't offensive. They're sad, and I pity her.
WK: "Joseph Smith asserted that the Book of Mormon peoples were the original inhabitants of the americas"
Will Schryver: "No, he didn’t." 3/19/08
Still waiting for Will to back this up...
I voted no. I don't find them offensive. I hardly ever agree with her....wait....I never agree with her, but she doesn't offend me.
Mercury....you really need to let this stuff roll off your back a little bit. Don't take these boards so serious. Have you ever read "The Four Agreements"? It may be helpful for you to do that. :-)
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who cold not hear the music. ----Nietzche
charity wrote:people keep guessing wrong. It was an elderly lady in a ward I was in 30 years ago.
And why was she qualified to declare doctrine?
There are two ways person can fight against God. By teaching there is no God at all, or by teaching that the truths He has revealed are not of valuie.
One more time: church leaders are not God. A person can argue with LDS church leaders and not argue with God. Church leaders have been wrong before. They'll be wrong again. There is much within the LDS church that is not doctrine and is not God-breathed, and arguing against that is not the same as fighting God.
I don't take personal offense because it's just silliness, but I think the statement is intended to offend. Charity, like all traditional Mormons, believes that satan is the father of all lies and evil incarnate. For someone with those beliefs to accuse another person of working for Satan is probably the most offensive statement they can possibly think of.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.
beastie wrote:I don't take personal offense because it's just silliness, but I think the statement is intended to offend. Charity, like all traditional Mormons, believes that satan is the father of all lies and evil incarnate. For someone with those beliefs to accuse another person of working for Satan is probably the most offensive statement they can possibly think of.
I agree! It is meant to be offensive. I think it is meant to be hateful, as well. Yet, it doesn't really strike a chord with me. Hammer has done that a few times, or said I'm screwed up 'cause I don't have the HG -- it just comes across as nutters to me.
I don't like her tossing it about at others while she elevates herself -- that irritates me. Yet, it doesn't affect me personally.
It'd be like someone saying I'm one of Santa's elves.
While charity's remarks may be received as offensive to some, I do think she has been on the receiving end of her fair share of offensive remarks as well. I think it's a wash.
beastie wrote:For someone with those beliefs to accuse another person of working for Satan is probably the most offensive statement they can possibly think of.
Shock value. It's what makes Rush Limbaugh so darn successful. The dogmatists love him and the liberals hate him, which means that, whatever side you're on, you're giving him the attention he craves.
I'm not convinced shock jocks actually believe what they say. Charity, OTOH, I think totally believes what she says.
I do agree charity takes a beating on this board regularly, so do not want to give the impression I'm saying she's worse than anyone else. She's not. But neither is she spotless, as she likes to portray herself. As long as she keeps lecturing others on bad behavior, I'll keep reminding her of her own.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.
Tori wrote:I voted no. I don't find them offensive. I hardly ever agree with her....wait....I never agree with her, but she doesn't offend me.
Mercury....you really need to let this stuff roll off your back a little bit. Don't take these boards so serious. Have you ever read "The Four Agreements"? It may be helpful for you to do that. :-)
Have you ever read the book "how mercury does not give a s***"?
And crawling on the planet's face Some insects called the human race Lost in time And lost in space...and meaning