Interesting prohibitions

[_truth dancer]

Wait a sec here...

I thought apologists who have dismissed the idea that God had sex with Mary are going with the A.I. argument, no?

(smile)

~dancer~

[_skippy the dead]

Also, why would these practices be strongly discouraged?

I wonder if it veers off into some odd doctrinal interpretations, whereby the result of a man's donated "seed" could be caught up in his eternal sealing web.

[_charity]

I think at least some of the "strongly discourages" are because of the inherent problems in the situaitons. How many surrogacy arrangements have we seen where the surrogate mother decides she wants to keep her child? What a nightmare situation for an LDS couple who has a surrogate inseminated with the husband's sperm, the biological mother decides she wants to keep the child. The court will not enforce the surrogacy contract (amply demonstrated) and so here is an LDS couple, the husband is supporting his child being raised by another woman, etc. He has no control over the environment his child is in. His child is his wife' stepchild, visiting schedules, etc. The unpleasantness of the bad feelings agaisnt the woman who broke her word and messed up their lives, and yet tied forever to her as a co-parent.

And in the past A.I., except with the husband's sperm, was discouraged because it messed up lineage.

[_karl61]

I think at least some of the "strongly discourages" are because of the inherent problems in the situaitons. How many surrogacy arrangements have we seen where the surrogate mother decides she wants to keep her child? What a nightmare situation for an LDS couple who has a surrogate inseminated with the husband's sperm, the biological mother decides she wants to keep the child. The court will not enforce the surrogacy contract (amply demonstrated) and so here is an LDS couple, the husband is supporting his child being raised by another woman, etc. He has no control over the environment his child is in. His child is his wife' stepchild, visiting schedules, etc. The unpleasantness of the bad feelings agaisnt the woman who broke her word and messed up their lives, and yet tied forever to her as a co-parent.

And in the past A.I., except with the husband's sperm, was discouraged because it messed up lineage.

sounds like a basic divorce case: this why Jesus said no to divorce - a man can get remarried but a woman cannot or she commits adultery.

[_Blixa]

I think at least some of the "strongly discourages" are because of the inherent problems in the situaitons. How many surrogacy arrangements have we seen where the surrogate mother decides she wants to keep her child? What a nightmare situation for an LDS couple who has a surrogate inseminated with the husband's sperm, the biological mother decides she wants to keep the child. The court will not enforce the surrogacy contract (amply demonstrated) and so here is an LDS couple, the husband is supporting his child being raised by another woman, etc. He has no control over the environment his child is in. His child is his wife' stepchild, visiting schedules, etc. The unpleasantness of the bad feelings agaisnt the woman who broke her word and messed up their lives, and yet tied forever to her as a co-parent.

And in the past A.I., except with the husband's sperm, was discouraged because it messed up lineage.

And its not a "nightmare" for a non-LDS couple? Oh the poor, wonderful, more deserving of perfect parenthood LDS couple!

I suspect its some biological lineage problem and not because of social/legal problems---the "eternal sealing web" mentioned by Skippy. I just wondered if there was anything written ("doctrine" or not) that explained it.

[_charity]

And its not a "nightmare" for a non-LDS couple? Oh the poor, wonderful, more deserving of perfect parenthood LDS couple!

I suspect its some biological lineage problem and not because of social/legal problems---the "eternal sealing web" mentioned by Skippy. I just wondered if there was anything written ("doctrine" or not) that explained it.

Blixa, that situation would be a nightmare for any couple, of course. The topic here is why would the Church "strongly discourage" the practice? What non-LDS couple is going to seek counsel from an LDS bishop? Shsssssh.

How could there be any historic written doctrine when the technology didn't exist until the lat part of the 20th century? I don't think they even had turkey basters until the mid-1900's!

[_Jason Bourne]

What, exactly, does "strongly discouraged" mean? Or is this another example of Church duplicity?

John

Don't know. I think it means what it says. They don't like it much, and they discourage it. But if you do it nobody is going to kick you out.

[_skippy the dead]

What, exactly, does "strongly discouraged" mean? Or is this another example of Church duplicity?

John

Don't know. I think it means what it says. They don't like it much, and they discourage it. But if you do it nobody is going to kick you out.

If there's no doctrinal basis for it, why would the church bother even "strongly discouraging" it? After all, I'm sure the Church handbook also doesn't "strongly discourage" loaning money to deadbeat brothers or "strongly discourage" unnecessary plastic surgery. There's got to be more to it than Charity's supposition that there are "inherent problems." There are inherent problems with hundreds of life situations, but yet the church doesn't offer counsel on them. So somebody somewhere must have thought that this topic touched on church doctrine or standards in some way - what is it?

[_charity]

If there's no doctrinal basis for it, why would the church bother even "strongly discouraging" it? After all, I'm sure the Church handbook also doesn't "strongly discourage" loaning money to deadbeat brothers or "strongly discourage" unnecessary plastic surgery. There's got to be more to it than Charity's supposition that there are "inherent problems." There are inherent problems with hundreds of life situations, but yet the church doesn't offer counsel on them. So somebody somewhere must have thought that this topic touched on church doctrine or standards in some way - what is it?

I am sure that there is something to messing up lineage, as I did say.

[_Runtu]

I am sure that there is something to messing up lineage, as I did say.

Doesn't polyandry in the early church also mess up lineage?