A parent stating that they would rather see a child in a coffin than lose their virginity before marriage...?!
If a girl is being raped, she should feel obligated to fight to her death...?!
"The victim must do all in his or her power to stop the abuse. Most often, the victim is innocent because of being disabled by fear or the power or authority of the offender. At some point in time, however, the Lord may prompt a victim to recognize a degree of responsibility for abuse. Your priesthood leader will help assess your responsibility so that, if needed, it can be addressed. Otherwise the seeds of guilt will remain and sprout into bitter fruit. Yet no matter what degree of responsibility, from absolutely none to increasing consent, the healing power of the atonement of Jesus Christ can provide a complete cure."
- Apostle Richard G. Scott "Healing the Tragic Scars of Abuse," General Conference, Ensign, May 1992
“Victims of rape or sexual abuse frequently experience serious trauma and unnecessary feelings of guilt. Church officers should handle such cases with sensitivity and concern, reassuring such victims that they, as victims of the evil acts of others, are not guilty of sin, helping them to overcome feelings of guilt and to regain their self-esteem and their confidence in personal relationships."
“Of course, a mature person who willingly consents to sexual relations must share responsibility for the act, even though the other participant was the aggressor. Persons who consciously invite sexual advances also have a share of responsibility for the behavior that follows. But persons who are truly forced into sexual relations are victims and are not guilty of any sexual sin."
- First Presidency Letter to General Authorities, Regional Representatives, and other priesthood leadership, 7 Feb. 1985
The Prophet David O. McKay is quoted in President Kimball's book as follows:
" . . . Your virtue is worth more than your life. Please young folk, preserve your virtue even if you lose your lives. Do not tamper with sin . . . do not permit yourselves to be led into temptation. Conduct yourselves seemly and with due regard, particularly you youg boys, to the sanctity of womanhood. Do not pollute it."
The Prophet Heber J. Grant is also quoted in President Kimball's book:
"...There is no true Latter-day Saint who would not rather bury a son or daughter than to have him or her lose his or her chastity -- realizing that chastity is of more value than anything else in all the world."
Later in the book, Kimball again addresses the matter of Chastity with the elsewhere mentioned paragraph:
"Also far-reaching is the effect of loss of chastity. Once given or taken or stolen it can never be regained. Even in forced contact such as rape or incest, the injured one is greatly outraged. If she has not cooperated and contributed to the foul deed, she is of course in a more favorable position. There is no condemnation where there is absolutely no voluntary participation. It is better to die in defending one's virtue than to live having lost it without a struggle."
"Better dead clean, than alive unclean. Many is the faithful Latter-day Saint parent who has sent a son or daughter on a mission or otherwise out into the world with the direction, 'I would rather have you come back home in a pine box with your virtue than return alive without it' "
- Mormon Doctrine, Second Edition, Page 124
Sam Harris wrote:Who wouldn't hang their head under such?
Sam Harris wrote:Hey Ren!
I think that the culture of the church outside of the U.S. is definitely starkly different. When you get past those who want to be Utah Mormons, you actually find some pretty cool people who are just trying to live their beliefs as best they can.
Jason Bourne wrote:Both of these are from talks from the 70's and Elder Bedner even quoted the one about parents rather seeing a child dead.
Moniker wrote:Yes! Yes! Yes! This thought that people that are "different" really are off or something is really wrong is seen all the time. WTF??? It's nuts!
Jason Bourne wrote:
A parent stating that they would rather see a child in a coffin than lose their virginity before marriage...?!
If a girl is being raped, she should feel obligated to fight to her death...?!
Both of these are from talks from the 70's and Elder Bedner even quoted the one about parents rather seeing a child dead.
The Nehor wrote:I will not pursue a relationship with someone who is too sensitive to cope with my odd humor. I think I'm going to die alone ;)
Sam Harris wrote:When will people learn that we all stumble in life, we all have tears and disappointments, and the worst thing we can do is to ostracize some because they've had more than their fair share?