Where are the "others" in the Book of Mormon?

Post by **_Ten Bear** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:06 pm

cinepro wrote:If you want to see the topic explored in depth (and some would argue, to death), with apologists bringing their best, you can go to the MADB and search for "others".

Thanks. I'm curious to the size of the pretzel this should be.

_rcrocket · Post by **_rcrocket** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:33 pm

Nephi writes that they found in the promised land when they first arrived domesticated animals, specifically a goat as well as an ox (the latter usually meaning a castrated bull) but does not mention who domesticated them. Suggests an intent not to mention others.

Post by **_cksalmon** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:43 pm

Ten Bear wrote:Thanks. I'm curious to the size of the pretzel this should be.

It's no more than 500 miles at it's longest point, give or take. So it's not that big.

CKS

Post by **_The Dude** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:48 pm

rcrocket wrote:Nephi writes that they found in the promised land when they first arrived domesticated animals, specifically a goat as well as an ox (the latter usually meaning a castrated bull) but does not mention who domesticated them. Suggests an intent not to mention others.

Suggests there were goats and ox in the Americas... any evidence of that? Archaeology says there had to be "others" but nothing in archaeology squares with domestic goats and ox in the Americas.

Just the same, within the Book of Mormon fantasy world the Nephites were preceded by Jaredites who brought domesticated animals in their submarines.

Post by **_beastie** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:56 pm

The others are sacred, not secret.

Post by **_moksha** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:04 pm

Ten Bear wrote:I can't believe I bought into this scam for so long.

Such things never have to scam you if you can see the allegorical nature of the tale and can find meaning in it. Otherwise you may find yourself asking, "Where be the dragons?" when you explore the world of the Brothers Grimm.

Post by **_beastie** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:05 pm

Now for my serious reply, what I find absurd is that Nephite was apparently able to convince TWO groups of natives to choose him to be their "king". These people, by the way, were seriously into the lineage of their leaders. And Nephi didn't even speak their language! Moreover, given the Mesoamerican culture, this would have required a religious conversion of these "others". And yet the Book of Mormon, a book devoted to converting people to Jesus which goes into great detail about other conversions, is absolutely silent about the MOST remarkable conversion in the entire book.

Post by **_Sethbag** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:41 pm

rcrocket wrote:Nephi writes that they found in the promised land when they first arrived domesticated animals, specifically a goat as well as an ox (the latter usually meaning a castrated bull) but does not mention who domesticated them. Suggests an intent not to mention others.

What it suggests to me is that Joseph and/or his helpers in the creation of the Book of Mormon didn't think hard enough when he inserted those animals into the story. Joseph was familiar with domesticated animals, and simply didn't realize that the presence of a domesticated animal required some sort of explanation like this. He blithely included it anyway.

Post by **_truth dancer** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:58 pm

rcrocket wrote:Nephi writes that they found in the promised land when they first arrived domesticated animals, specifically a goat as well as an ox (the latter usually meaning a castrated bull) but does not mention who domesticated them. Suggests an intent not to mention others.

There is no evidence whatsoever that there were domesticated goats and ox in Mesoamerica 2,000 years ago but folks use this assertion in the Book of Mormon as evidence that there were people who domesticated them; and there is no suggestion whatsoever* in the Book of Mormon that there were "others" in Mesoamerica 2,000 years ago but apologists assume that since these non-existent animals were discussed there were...

And, this doesn't cause one to sort of shake their head?

In other words...

In the Book of Mormon we have animals in Mesoamerica 2,000 years ago and no discussion of others.

In real life there were NONE of these animals in Mesoamerica 2,000 years ago and plenty of "others".

And somehow this all proves the Book of Mormon is true?

;-)

~dancer~

*In fact many statements asserting that there were not others.

Post by **_The Dude** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:03 am

truth dancer wrote:In other words...

In the Book of Mormon we have animals in Mesoamerica 2,000 years ago and no discussion of others.

In real life there were NONE of these animals in Mesoamerica 2,000 years ago and plenty of "others".

And somehow this all proves the Book of Mormon is true?

Yes! That's what I meant to say.