Author Sam Harris... Witchdoctor?

Post by **_Imapiratewasher** » Tue May 06, 2008 12:01 am

So what about the Muslims out there that do not follow this, that are nice people and care? What about the Muslims that don't abuse their family or force marrage on people? Are they to be labelled in this manner? I am going to eat my pot noodle, I will think on this whilst eating and do some searching. I have thought about this a lot in the past. I was straight in there with my questions and I agree that right now in this time, radical Islamic extremists are a little scary, but the picture is much much bigger and one must not forget that even our own Christianity begun in a similar manner. Terrorism has existed from the beginning of time, it is not new.

My point is that NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE LIKE THIS. Jihad is not an attack on the towers.

Propaganda and media has juiced this up to intill fear among the people ON BOTH SIDES.

Sorry, I have taken so long to reply, it would seam the world has changed since I last saw it. I couldn't find what I was looking for, [url]It might have been www.examinethetruth.com[/url] , but I found this and was lost in the symbolism of it;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1jEKUBhiz4&feature=related

Post by **_Imapiratewasher** » Tue May 06, 2008 12:51 am

I cannot find what I was reading last year.

I agree that the way women are treated is more widespread than terrorrism. One must remember that women are treated similar in all cultures, including ours back in the day. In the Bible, By John I think, it said women should cover their hair in Church otherwise have it cut off and men should not cover their head. But I know that there are a lot of Muslim women out there that are treated in accordance to the laws of the land. Gosh I am falling asleep. I do not feel ALL muslims should be judged in the manner they have been. I do not believe the religion in itself is bad. Perhaps the views are wrong and there is inequality to women, but there is also in Christianity. I have lost the point of this thread so will sleep and look in tomorow.

Night all.

Post by **_Gazelam** » Tue May 06, 2008 2:06 am

This will all come to a head when we tear down the dome of the rock to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem. I am so looking forward to this, and I hope it happens in my lifetime.

_GoodK · Post by **_GoodK** » Tue May 06, 2008 5:13 am

Gazelam wrote:This will all come to a head when we tear down the dome of the rock to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem. I am so looking forward to this, and I hope it happens in my lifetime.

Any one else find this statement scary?

Post by **_Imwashingmypirate** » Tue May 06, 2008 10:55 am

I do! Wow, that would cause a riot. You never know though.

Post by **_guy sajer** » Tue May 06, 2008 4:07 pm

Imapiratewasher wrote:I cannot find what I was reading last year.

I agree that the way women are treated is more widespread than terrorrism. One must remember that women are treated similar in all cultures, including ours back in the day. In the Bible, By John I think, it said women should cover their hair in Church otherwise have it cut off and men should not cover their head. But I know that there are a lot of Muslim women out there that are treated in accordance to the laws of the land. Gosh I am falling asleep. I do not feel ALL muslims should be judged in the manner they have been. I do not believe the religion in itself is bad. Perhaps the views are wrong and there is inequality to women, but there is also in Christianity. I have lost the point of this thread so will sleep and look in tomorow.

Night all.

As a matter of principle, I have a hard time feeling much sympathy for ANY belief system that, as a matter of policy, relegates women to such obvious second-class status (and worse in many, many cases). Nor do I have any sympathy for practices/traditions etc. that stem from ancient patriarchal/sexist beliefs, such as the head scarf, or its more obnoxious forms (e.g., burka, long clothing--damned temprtress harlots must cover themselves so that men don't get all hot and bothered).

It's time for Islam to join the modern world, and it's time for the modern world to condemn vile sexism masquerading under the guise of religion.

Post by **_guy sajer** » Tue May 06, 2008 4:15 pm

Imapiratewasher wrote:I cannot find what I was reading last year.

I agree that the way women are treated is more widespread than terrorrism. One must remember that women are treated similar in all cultures, including ours back in the day. In the Bible, By John I think, it said women should cover their hair in Church otherwise have it cut off and men should not cover their head. But I know that there are a lot of Muslim women out there that are treated in accordance to the laws of the land. Gosh I am falling asleep. I do not feel ALL muslims should be judged in the manner they have been. I do not believe the religion in itself is bad. Perhaps the views are wrong and there is inequality to women, but there is also in Christianity. I have lost the point of this thread so will sleep and look in tomorow.

Night all.

Sure, Islam isn't bad, yet world-wide Islamic culture marginalizes and dehumanizes women. This isn't an aberration but a fundamental part of the belief system.

We would be hard pressed to make a similar argument for a belief system that systematically marginalized and dehumanized individuals on the basis of race, yet we (society) go out of our way to defend belief systems that systematically marginalize and dehumanize women.

Gotta love religion. If one wants to act boorishly or hold hurtful beliefs, just call yourself a religion and suddenly otherwise good people are suddenly stumbling over themselves to excuse, and even defend, your boorish acts and hurtful beliefs.

_GoodK · Post by **_GoodK** » Tue May 06, 2008 5:02 pm

Imapiratewasher wrote:So what about the Muslims out there that do not follow this, that are nice people and care? What about the Muslims that don't abuse their family or force marrage on people? Are they to be labelled in this manner?

What about Mormons who drink or smoke? Or Catholics who get abortions? If you are not following your religion, are you the one that is being labelled correctly?

Christianity begun in a similar manner. Terrorism has existed from the beginning of time, it is not new.

Christianity is also a problem, but I would argue Islam is our biggest problem right now, not just for the US but the global community.

Propaganda and media has juiced this up to intill fear among the people ON BOTH SIDES.

I don't know about that. Any examples? I thought of this, from a former member of a Muslim terrorist group cited in the article I linked to in the OP.

Hassan Butt wrote in the Guardian:

When I was still a member of what is probably best termed the British Jihadi Network, a series of semi-autonomous British Muslim terrorist groups linked by a single ideology, I remember how we used to laugh in celebration whenever people on TV proclaimed that the sole cause for Islamic acts of terror like 9/11, the Madrid bombings and 7/7 was Western foreign policy. By blaming the government for our actions, those who pushed the 'Blair's bombs' line did our propaganda work for us. More important, they also helped to draw away any critical examination from the real engine of our violence: Islamic theology.