The Nehor wrote:Yes, because the Whittling was like physical assault and firing off pellet guns.
It was a means of intimidation. Violence would follow if the person didn't leave or get in line.
According to the accounts I've read, those targeted often screamed loudly at the people for quite a while before leaving. Despite them not getting in line, no one got stabbed.
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The Nehor wrote:Yes, because the Whittling was like physical assault and firing off pellet guns.
It was a means of intimidation. Violence would follow if the person didn't leave or get in line.
According to the accounts I've read, those targeted often screamed loudly at the people for quite a while before leaving. Despite them not getting in line, no one got stabbed.
No, as usual you are wrong.
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The Nehor wrote:Yes, because the Whittling was like physical assault and firing off pellet guns.
It was a means of intimidation. Violence would follow if the person didn't leave or get in line.
According to the accounts I've read, those targeted often screamed loudly at the people for quite a while before leaving. Despite them not getting in line, no one got stabbed.
No, as usual you are wrong.
Someone got stabbed?
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I don't see how this can be viewed in any way other than with disgust. I don't think LDS karma has anything to do with it. The kids who attacked the LDS youth are punks, no more, no less.
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The Nehor wrote:According to the accounts I've read, those targeted often screamed loudly at the people for quite a while before leaving. Despite them not getting in line, no one got stabbed.
Which of course makes it all okay.
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Boaz & Lidia wrote:The were just defending their land, families and way of life.
From what? A religious group with a lot of voting power? It's understandable that the Missourians would be nervous about all the Mormons moving in, but it certainly didn't justify violently driving them out of the county.
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Boaz & Lidia wrote:The were just defending their land, families and way of life.
From what? A religious group with a lot of voting power? It's understandable that the Missourians would be nervous about all the Mormons moving in, but it certainly didn't justify violently driving them out of the county.
Nope, the mindset and machinations of smith and his cronies did that for them.
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Mercury wrote:Nope, the mindset and machinations of smith and his cronies did that for them.
Let me get this straight - you think that the Missouri mobs were justified in tarring and feathering Edward Partridge and Charles Allen and destroying the homes of Mormon families and forcing them out of Independence at gunpoint, because of the "mindset and machinations of smith", who was living in Kirtland at the time?
I hope you don't ever give the rest of us a bad name by referring to yourself as a "critic" of the church. You deserve the "anti-Mormon" epithet, with all the "anti-Semitic" connotations it's meant to invoke.
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Mercury wrote:Nope, the mindset and machinations of smith and his cronies did that for them.
Let me get this straight - you think that the Missouri mobs were justified in tarring and feathering Edward Partridge and Charles Allen and destroying the homes of Mormon families and forcing them out of Independence at gunpoint, because of the "mindset and machinations of smith", who was living in Kirtland at the time?
I hope you don't ever give the rest of us a bad name by referring to yourself as a "critic" of the church. You deserve the "anti-Mormon" epithet, with all the "anti-Semitic" connotations it's meant to invoke.
I see you are still stuck in a persecution complex. Tell ya what. Why don't I move next to you and start preaching in my driveway that your land is Gods and God is giving your land to me. Then, when you protest I will use intimidation, threaten you and your family and make sure to do the same for all the neighbors around you. Now imagine that half the neighborhood is doing the same thing, referencing a charismatic asshat who gave us the idea in the first place.
Yes tar and feathering was justified, as was the practice for dealing with rabble rousers in that day and age on the frontier. They were lucky they were not castrated and strung up.
I don't know much about what went on in Missouri in the mid 1830s. The one book I've read about Missouri and the Mormons, the LeSueuer book, basically picks up in 1838. My take on at least the 1838 situation is that, while some Missourians went way beyond what could be considered right and legal, by and large the Mormons acted in ways, at least in 1838, that one must ask just how did they expect 1838 frontier Missourians to act in response. I don't know if the earlier Missouri dealings were similar in nature. I guess I'd have to find a good book about and read some.
But really, this is a bad thread to be having this conversation in. Whatever the Mormons in Missouri, or Nauvoo, or whatever did, this has nothing to do with a couple of neonazi teenage punks shooting pellet guns at a couple of hapless Mormon boys. Nothing whatsoever. Continuing the discussion in the context of this thread is just a very bad idea.
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