Mormon forum lights up over California gay change

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_Dr. Shades
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Paul Ray wrote:
Gaston wrote:Millions of people would die if that were to happen. [California falling in the ocean]

Yeah, but then they'd go to either paradise, which would be good, or to spirit prison, staying in spirit prison only until they accepted the true gospel of Jesus Christ.

In the end, it would be a good move for them, personally.


So I guess this means that the Southeast Asian tsunami, the Myanmar cyclone, the Chinese earthquake, and Hurricane Katrina all get a big "thumbs-up" from Paul Ray.
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_SatanWasSetUp
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Post by _SatanWasSetUp »

Mormons have a right to be worried about Gay marriage in CA. We all know what happened to Massachusetts when Romney allowed Gay Marriage there. Is BC Space the anti-gay marriage guy in this video?

Gay Marriage Destroys Massachussetts
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_The Dude
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There are three "kinds" of arguments against homosexuality and gay marriage.

1) It's against my personal religious veiws about the holy status of marriage.
My response: at least you can admit that religion is your basis. Fortunately, that doesn't and shouldn't dictate the actions of other people in a free society.

2) It creates many legal difficulties.
My response: so be it. Eventually we'll work it out for the better.

3) It is bad for the individual's physical and psychological well being. Here's a study that shows....
My response: garbage in, garbage out. There are counter-studies showing the converse, and none of them can really separate a given outcome from the pressures of a bigoted and unsupportive society. Why don't you just admit #1 is your real reason instead of pretending it's something else?
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Worse than what bcspace posted?

China has sunk a remote control 400 megaton dirty nuclear device off the west coast and when it goes off, will cause a radioactive tidal wave that will sweep the entire coast to over 100 miles inland.


That's an actual Cold War scenario that used to be posited back in the 70's and 80's. I do not desire that any part of California be swept away. It takes too much geological time to make new beaches.

Frankly, I think you're more worried about the evidence I posted that the homosexual lifestyle is dangerous.

Is BC Space the anti-gay marriage guy in this video?


I don't appear in any videos.

3) It is bad for the individual's physical and psychological well being. Here's a study that shows....
My response: garbage in, garbage out. There are counter-studies showing the converse,


Why wouldn't your "garbage in garbage out" apply here too? The only case you've made here is that you disagree with the science

and none of them can really separate a given outcome from the pressures of a bigoted and unsupportive society.


Are there not European countries and even whole communiteis in the US where "discrimination" is not a factor?

Why don't you just admit #1 is your real reason instead of pretending it's something else?


I freely admit that #1 is my number one reason. However, #3 is perfectly cromulent on it's own merits and even corraborates #1.
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bcspace wrote:Frankly, I think you're more worried about the evidence I posted that the homosexual lifestyle is dangerous.


Frankly, I think you're trying to embiggen your position with "science" because you know your religious judgements are not cromulent in a free society.
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Frankly, I think you're more worried about the evidence I posted that the homosexual lifestyle is dangerous.

Frankly, I think you're trying to embiggen your position with "science" because you know your religious judgements are not cromulent in a free society.


I think you had to look up the word cromulent and found that you weren't as up-to-date on pop culture as you thought you were.

As for science, you'll accept it's word on evolution, but you won't accept it's word on the consequences of homosexuality. I seem to be twice the scientist you are.
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bcspace wrote:I think you had to look up the word cromulent and found that you weren't as up-to-date on pop culture as you thought you were.


LOL You got me there!

As for science, you'll accept it's word on evolution, but you won't accept it's word on the consequences of homosexuality. I seem to be twice the scientist you are.


Biology = science

Psychology = not science
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As far as I’m concerned, marriage is nothing more than a contractual agreement between two adults. If those adults like to play hide the mallow, so be it. It doesn’t make it any less apt to enter into the contractual agreement. I think it’s cool that the hombre who sits across from my office will someday be able to refer to his “husband” and have it be more than a simple term of endearment and instead be a nomenclature also designating the contractual agreement they are in and the rights associated with it.
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Post by _Rollo Tomasi »

bcspace wrote:
Why don't you just admit #1 is your real reason instead of pretending it's something else?


I freely admit that #1 is my number one reason.

I bet you would have loved living under Taliban rule.
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_bcspace
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Biology = science

Psychology = not science


Agreed. Of course this prevents you from referring to much, if not all, of the counter "evidence" if you want to maintain intellectual honesty.
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