Eternal marriage. Is it possible for non-mormons?

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SatanWasSetUp wrote:So "eternal marriage" and "eternal family" are misnomers. Everyone, including non-mormons, can be with their family forever, but only Mormons get to procreate. Therefore, it's really eternal procreation.


No, I said that's all we know about. I suspect that there is something that a family unit sealed has that an unsealed family does not. I just don't think that what they are missing is basic social interaction.
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The Nehor wrote:
SatanWasSetUp wrote:So "eternal marriage" and "eternal family" are misnomers. Everyone, including non-mormons, can be with their family forever, but only Mormons get to procreate. Therefore, it's really eternal procreation.


No, I said that's all we know about. I suspect that there is something that a family unit sealed has that an unsealed family does not. I just don't think that what they are missing is basic social interaction.


Technically we don't know about any of it, but thinking more about it, since when we die we won't have our children with us because they will be with their spouses (I suppose we will visit one another) the family structure that exists on earth will be a little different in heaven because everyone will be perfected and married with their spouse and they will all be making new spirit children. So the image of the earthly family of mother father, children and grandparents living together forever isn't really what it is all about. It is about starting a new spirit family in the afterlife with your eternal companion. So instead of saying families can be together forever through heavenly father's plan, it should be husband and wife can start a new family in the afterlife through heavenly father's plan. It's not as catchy, but it makes more sense.
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SatanWasSetUp wrote:It is about starting a new spirit family in the afterlife with your eternal companion.


Eternal companions.
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So "eternal marriage" and "eternal family" are misnomers. Everyone, including non-mormons, can be with their family forever, but only Mormons get to procreate. Therefore, it's really eternal procreation.


Eternal does mena more than simply living forever. Eternal life is also living with the Gods as Gods.
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SatanWasSetUp wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
SatanWasSetUp wrote:So "eternal marriage" and "eternal family" are misnomers. Everyone, including non-mormons, can be with their family forever, but only Mormons get to procreate. Therefore, it's really eternal procreation.


No, I said that's all we know about. I suspect that there is something that a family unit sealed has that an unsealed family does not. I just don't think that what they are missing is basic social interaction.


Technically we don't know about any of it, but thinking more about it, since when we die we won't have our children with us because they will be with their spouses (I suppose we will visit one another) the family structure that exists on earth will be a little different in heaven because everyone will be perfected and married with their spouse and they will all be making new spirit children. So the image of the earthly family of mother father, children and grandparents living together forever isn't really what it is all about. It is about starting a new spirit family in the afterlife with your eternal companion. So instead of saying families can be together forever through heavenly father's plan, it should be husband and wife can start a new family in the afterlife through heavenly father's plan. It's not as catchy, but it makes more sense.


It does make more sense but it's not what's taught. Since we know almost nothing about what it's like to be a Spirit or a resurrected being I'm not going to throw things out because I don't understand them. I don't expect to 'get' the ways of the Gods by making their existence just like mine.
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bcspace wrote:
Now, I've also heard the theory that when these non-mormons die they'll be in spirit prison where they'll be taught by missionaries until they accept the gospel (prison indeed), and there will not be any non-mormons assigned to the lower kingdoms.


Accepting the gospel in the spirit world is the same as joining the LDS Church (it is the same Church). Therefore, only LDS can be eternally married.

My reading of D&C 76 shows that only LDS will be resurrected to a Celestial and Terrestial glories.


Your reading in incorrect (no surprise here as it seems you often are incorrect). D&C 76 allows for non LDS that are honorable and decent people to be in the terrestrial kingdom. Go read it again.
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The Nehor wrote:
SatanWasSetUp wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
SatanWasSetUp wrote:So "eternal marriage" and "eternal family" are misnomers. Everyone, including non-mormons, can be with their family forever, but only Mormons get to procreate. Therefore, it's really eternal procreation.


No, I said that's all we know about. I suspect that there is something that a family unit sealed has that an unsealed family does not. I just don't think that what they are missing is basic social interaction.


Technically we don't know about any of it, but thinking more about it, since when we die we won't have our children with us because they will be with their spouses (I suppose we will visit one another) the family structure that exists on earth will be a little different in heaven because everyone will be perfected and married with their spouse and they will all be making new spirit children. So the image of the earthly family of mother father, children and grandparents living together forever isn't really what it is all about. It is about starting a new spirit family in the afterlife with your eternal companion. So instead of saying families can be together forever through heavenly father's plan, it should be husband and wife can start a new family in the afterlife through heavenly father's plan. It's not as catchy, but it makes more sense.


It does make more sense but it's not what's taught.


But it is what's taught. Mormons are taught that they will be with their spouse forever and that they will be able to procreate in the afterlife, and as BCSpace pointed out they will be Gods among Gods. I'm just following it to its logical conclusion. We won't have our children with us because they will be married and living with their spouse creating eternal offspring, same with parents, grandparents, cousins, etc. So we won't live with our earthly family forever. Instead, husband and wife will start a new eternal family in the CK and that's the one that they will be with forever as Gods.
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SatanWasSetUp wrote:But it is what's taught. Mormons are taught that they will be with their spouse forever and that they will be able to procreate in the afterlife, and as BCSpace pointed out they will be Gods among Gods. I'm just following it to its logical conclusion. We won't have our children with us because they will be married and living with their spouse creating eternal offspring, same with parents, grandparents, cousins, etc. So we won't live with our earthly family forever. Instead, husband and wife will start a new eternal family in the CK and that's the one that they will be with forever as Gods.


No, it's taught in addition to being an eternal family. Also, being WITH your family forever for a race of immortal, omniscient, and omnipotent beings does not mean you have to live in the house next door or even in the same galaxy. It is taught that families can be together forever. What that entails I don't know. But trying to force images of family togetherness now into the realm of the Gods and figure that this is what is meant is silly.
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The Nehor wrote:Also, being WITH your family forever for a race of immortal, omniscient, and omnipotent beings does not mean you have to live in the house next door or even in the same galaxy. It is taught that families can be together forever. What that entails I don't know. But trying to force images of family togetherness now into the realm of the Gods and figure that this is what is meant is silly.



But the LDS church teaches a kind of exclusivity, in which it alone holds the keys to keep you together with your family forever. In reality, when you think about it, the church is not offering anything different than any other Christian church; all teach that once dead and saved, you will reside in Heaven -- with your loved ones, who are also dead and saved.

See, Nehor, the church cannot even guarantee that families will be together forever. I am an apostate; so are my mother and brother. That means, if the church is true, my dad will be alone without us for eternity. So our family is not forever. This is substantively no different than the heaven offered by mainstream Christian churches.
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Hally McIlrath wrote:
The Nehor wrote:Also, being WITH your family forever for a race of immortal, omniscient, and omnipotent beings does not mean you have to live in the house next door or even in the same galaxy. It is taught that families can be together forever. What that entails I don't know. But trying to force images of family togetherness now into the realm of the Gods and figure that this is what is meant is silly.



But the LDS church teaches a kind of exclusivity, in which it alone holds the keys to keep you together with your family forever. In reality, when you think about it, the church is not offering anything different than any other Christian church; all teach that once dead and saved, you will reside in Heaven -- with your loved ones, who are also dead and saved.

See, Nehor, the church cannot even guarantee that families will be together forever. I am an apostate; so are my mother and brother. That means, if the church is true, my dad will be alone without us for eternity. So our family is not forever. This is substantively no different than the heaven offered by mainstream Christian churches.


We offer something else. I just don't know what it is except in terms of marriage then we offer COSMIC GALACTIC POWER and the right to ruse the Universe as a couple!!!!! Not a bad deal if you ask me.

And yep, if you don't end up sealed you'll miss out on whatever it is that parent to child sealings offer. Sorry.
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