Would Mormonism be worth it if it were true

[_collegeterrace]

What's so bad about eternal sex and large scale real estate development?

Work is anything you have to repeat more than 5 times each day. Sex included.

Given the amount of post coital snuggles you'd be doing, you would never have time to develop the beaches of your worlds.

[_ajax18]

Let's see. I could either become a God and live forever in a state of perpetual bliss, or I can cease to exist as a consciousness when I die, worms will eat my body, and that will be the end for me.

I understood Mormons to believe that all people would be resurrected eventually. There is no slipping into nonexistence. You still exist as a spirt while you wait.

[_Ray A]

I'm just curious if you guys think practicing Mormonism to the fullest is worth it, if whatever they offer in return, which I'm still confused on, actually does happen after death.

Just using plain logic any proposal like this would be a failure. One-third of your children end up in hell for eternity, and two-thirds make it through to what Voltaire described as "nothing but a tableau of crimes and misfortunes", and you won't even try to stop things like the Black Death, and your children remain in darkness for 1,800 years, until a time when your "more valiant" children will live (you already know all this, but you're still sending them to a school you know will fail them). The majority of your children will never see you again, though they will get messages about you from time to time. Another large portion will go to a place where your favourite son can visit them, but not you. A small portion will live with you, those who did what you told them to do, and their sense of justice about this reward comes partly from knowing they were better than the others, and that "justice" was done, and they can spend eternity creating other massive failures. Such a God can only be called an underachiever with flawed ambition.

So in effect, you've created a business catering for the ultimate happiness of a select few. If I fathered ten children, and only three ever got to live with me, or wanted to live with me, I'd consider myself a failure. It wouldn't be worth even being in the game. But, I don't believe this is how it "works" anyway. If it does "work", my idea of God and justice is as far from this concept as the North and South poles are. In this regard even Hinduism and Buddhism make more sense to me. At least everyone gets an opportunity to attain Nirvana, or experience oneness with You, rather than having to attain it through heavenly child abuse.

No, it wouldn't be worth it, and on those grounds alone. I can fully understand why people become atheists. With alternatives like this, Nietzsche's dead god is better than any live one like this.

[_ajax18]

I suspect Joseph's comment was in regards to the Celestial glory and he stated that the fear of death can hold you back. After all, Joseph Smith saw all the kingdoms and there is no record of him attempting to commit suicide.

So you're saying we'd be very happy to kill ourselves to go to the Celestial kingdom (if that were to work) but not the lower kingdoms.

[_ajax18]

If I fathered ten children, and only three ever got to live with me, or wanted to live with me, I'd consider myself a failure. It wouldn't be worth even being in the game.

But you had zero and now you have three. Even if you went 0 for 10, you'd try again and again till it worked. It sort of seems similar to what people do when they have miscarriages. I've heard two solutions that Mormons offer people with children who leave the Church. One is that God will kindly erase their memory of those children. The other is that regardless of the childrens agency, they'll eventually come back if you pray hard enough.

I wonder if the war in Heavan was what inspired "Meatloaf's" song, "2 out of 3 ain't bad."

[_Some Schmo]

There's not a damn thing I can think of that's worth living like a Mormon. The Mormon lifestyle is its own punishment.

[_The Nehor]

I suspect Joseph's comment was in regards to the Celestial glory and he stated that the fear of death can hold you back. After all, Joseph Smith saw all the kingdoms and there is no record of him attempting to commit suicide.

So you're saying we'd be very happy to kill ourselves to go to the Celestial kingdom (if that were to work) but not the lower kingdoms.

That's what I think Joseph was saying if this is accurate. I could be wrong and I know that. I am not that interested. I'm not planning to commit suicide nor do I expect the visions of eternity in the near future.

[_ajax18]

There's not a damn thing I can think of that's worth living like a Mormon. The Mormon lifestyle is its own punishment.

Yeah, I keep trying to point out that there must be some compensation for forcing you to live in that lifestyle, but they keep resisting it. I guess they don't want to offend future converts. It seems they prefer shaming people into action rather than actually telling them how it could be of any benefit to them.

[_GoodK]

If it were true - yes it would be worth it.

I have no problem admitting that.

[_Inconceivable]

Well, it's not. Tough luck. Anyone need me to call 'em a waaaaaamublance?

However, I do find value (worth its) in:

Being kind (to most everyone)
Loving and dedicating my life to the only bride I have made sacred vows to (for as long as I exist - however long that is).
Do the same for my children
Emulate a Christlike attitude (to most everyone). I find balance and peace in my soul when I'm successful at it. It works for me.

It doesn't matter so much whether Christ exists, I can still countenance his character described in the Gospels.

I do not have any desire to become as the modern day legal administrators describe their God to be. With reference to the Mormon Satan, the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.

Mormonism is more about forcing our best intentions through duty, guilt and promises we don't fully understand when we make them. It creates too many distractions to bring about the change of heart referred to by fictitious characters like Alma, Mormon or Moroni.

I am now relieved it is not true. It would be hell to be eternally subjected to the rhetoric and deplorable behavior of the men who would be kings.