Active LDS: If you could drink alcohol, name your drink!

[_Ray A]

If any of you want to read an exceptionally good and very humourous book, don't miss La Mar Petersen's Hearts Made Glad: The Charges of Intemperance Against Joseph Smith the Mormon Prophet (1975). This is one book I'd never part with.

[_Gadianton]

That's a good start Nehor, but it's not going to be good enough. If you drink water with a respectable steak, surely that's better than rootbeer. But you could just as well claim that you don't care about quality dining. The problem is, you need to understand and admit that if you have a dignified taste then by foregoing the proper matching alcoholic beverages that you are depriving yourself. You can't throw out reckless, and potentially actionable comments like "I wouldn't drink alcohol even if God said it was OK." Because if you appreciate fine dining, you would drink alcohol, you would recognize now that it completes a superior meal and make that judgement by your intellect and not your present tastes which only crave rootbeer and water. Most serious meals were probably not appreciated immediately by the tastes you had as a 8 year old. So just admit it, you want to drink alcohol because you know your tastes would mature quickly, given how you've already taken to fine cuisine, and you know that certain alcohols would be necessary to complete a good meal. And you can admit that you deprive yourself for religious reasons. But you can't go the sweet lemon route and say "I don't want it anyway". It's clearly inconsistent.

[_Gadianton]

Ray,

that's one of the few Mormon related books I still have an interest in reading.

[_Imwashingmypirate]

I actually like Amoretto, tastes like marzipan. Apparently the posh persons drink, clearly for women. But I am not drinking again. I get in a right state.

[_Ray A]

Ray,

that's one of the few Mormon related books I still have an interest in reading.

One of my favourites is the "alleged" observation from Robert Richards (pp. 209-210, even if not entirely true it's funny):

I heard a voice which sounded like that of the prophet, and looking over the fence I saw Joseph Smith himself lying alone on the grass, with a whiskey bottle by his side, and decidedly far gone in a state of intoxication. He was talking and laughing, and evidently congratulating himself, in a solioquy, on the success of his devices. "I am a prophet", he said, "a profitable prophet; a profitable prophet indeed I am. Prophetical profits are good profits, very good profits, capital good profits, I'll be hanged if they ain't. The Saints are a pack of fools; but I am a prophet, a profitable prophet, a prophetical, prophesying, profitable profit. What was Mahomet compared with me? He was a jackass. What was Napoleon? He was a numbskull. What was Alexander? He was a blockhead. I am greater than Moses, - hurrah! - I am a greater man than Moses, - hurrah! - hip, hip, hurrah!

LOL.

Petersen's copious quoting of alcohol-imbibing verse is alone worth the book's price. in my opinion.

[_Jason Bourne]

Most any kind of good wine. But only once in a while with some sort of tasty dinner.

[_Thama]

I've been out of the Church long enough to drop most of my other Mormon habits and prohibitions (at least those I couldn't find any good reason to keep), but I've yet to try even a sip of alcohol. Although my girlfriend (atheist) doesn't drink either, I've been in several situations where I was encouraged or expected to drink at least a little, and my inhibitions always kicked in.

I've seen far too many smart, well-behaved people do and say unbelievably dumb things while wasted, and too many people who talk about drinking in moderation eventually let their definition of "moderation" slide too far.

Are any other ex-mos in my shoes, or have you been there?

[_The Nehor]

That's a good start Nehor, but it's not going to be good enough. If you drink water with a respectable steak, surely that's better than rootbeer. But you could just as well claim that you don't care about quality dining. The problem is, you need to understand and admit that if you have a dignified taste then by foregoing the proper matching alcoholic beverages that you are depriving yourself. You can't throw out reckless, and potentially actionable comments like "I wouldn't drink alcohol even if God said it was OK." Because if you appreciate fine dining, you would drink alcohol, you would recognize now that it completes a superior meal and make that judgement by your intellect and not your present tastes which only crave rootbeer and water. Most serious meals were probably not appreciated immediately by the tastes you had as a 8 year old. So just admit it, you want to drink alcohol because you know your tastes would mature quickly, given how you've already taken to fine cuisine, and you know that certain alcohols would be necessary to complete a good meal. And you can admit that you deprive yourself for religious reasons. But you can't go the sweet lemon route and say "I don't want it anyway". It's clearly inconsistent.

My tastes are not limited to water and root beer. In fact without ice cream I don't drink root beer. I much prefer water in general. Occasionally I'll drink some juice (the purer the better).

I don't want to drink alcohol. I don't consider any specific food or drink necessary to enjoy good food.

The rest of your post is culinary snobbishness. Most culinary snobs I've met are overweight or obese. I therefore conclude you are one of the two. Get some exercise you fatty.

[_GoodK]

I'll use this thread to review the beers I had while in Utah this past week.

Squatters - my long time favorite bar in Utah - has excellent beer. Their Oatmeal Stout on Nitro is by far the best beer I had out there. Creamy, smooth, hint of chocolate - amazing. I give it 4.5 stars out of 5.

Polygamy Porter - I was dissapointed by this beer. Not a great tasting beer at all. A little bitter. Not very creamy. 2.5 out of 5.

Cutthroat - This beer is great. Like a Newcastle - only better. A good tasting beer, not too light, very smooth. 4 out of 5.

Provo Girl - Too light for me. 2.5 out of 5

Murphy's Stout - This would almost be a 4.5 - but Squatters wins by a hair. Probably because they had theirs on Nitro - still really, really good beer. 4 out of 5.

Any other serious beer drinkers out there?
Suggestions for any good micro-brews in Utah I can sample next month when I go to the exmo conference. I have a feeling I'm gonna have to be pretty liquored for that.

"Good people drink good beer." HST

[_SUAS]

Tequlia..whiskey..rum...Zinfidel...with about two parts alcohol..1 Part mixer then sip slowly for about two hours so the liver can absorb slowly and drink a glass a water during the two hours of sipping...I just have not found the right beer...

my drink of choice...one glass of wine before bed actually helps me sleep better...

And you cannot get a real Long Island Iced Tea in Utah...