Is Mr. Scratch bitter for DCP's remuneration for apoligia?

[_Mudcat]

Not sure what you mean by "status quo," but I do not like LDS apologetics at all. I think it is a rotten enterprise, through and through.

By 'status quo' I meant that if the status quo is that if Mopoligists make money for their work, it pisses you off.
I suppose I don't really understand why though?

[_GoodK]

By 'status quo' I meant that if the status quo is that if Mopoligists make money for their work, it pisses you off.
I suppose I don't really understand why though?

Maybe you don't want to really understand why?

It's really quite simple. The FARMS Review (of authors) has attacked other religious ministries for being (well?) funded - while they operate with an enormous budget.

How many more times can this be reiterated in vain?

Furthermore, Professor Scratch has done an amazing job of documenting all the nastiness that sprouts from LDS apologetics - The D. Michael Quinn incident, for instance - and I couldn't agree more, LDS apologetics is a rotten enterprise.

[_Jason Bourne]

It's really quite simple. The FARMS Review (of authors) has attacked other religious ministries for being (well?) funded - while they operate with an enormous budget.

I do not recall attacks by FARMS against other ministries and their funding. Can you point me in the direction of one or two please?

How many more times can this be reiterated in vain?

Furthermore, Professor Scratch

Scratch is a professor?

has done an amazing job of documenting all the nastiness that sprouts from LDS apologetics

He may have documented a few things. The rest he takes scant evidence, inserts hyperbole and makes wild conjectures then spins it into nefarious deeds.

[_GoodK]

He may have documented a few things. The rest he takes scant evidence, inserts hyperbole and makes wild conjectures then spins it into nefarious deeds.

That must have happened prior to January 2008 when I joined this board, because I have yet to see him do any of those things.

[_Jason Bourne]

That must have happened prior to January 2008 when I joined this board, because I have yet to see him do any of those things.

Are you honestly objective on this? I have said that Scratch often has some interesting information. But so much gets lost in the noise and spin that it is silly.

[_Mudcat]

By 'status quo' I meant that if the status quo is that if Mopoligists make money for their work, it pisses you off.
I suppose I don't really understand why though?

Maybe you don't want to really understand why?

It's really quite simple. The FARMS Review (of authors) has attacked other religious ministries for being (well?) funded - while they operate with an enormous budget.

How many more times can this be reiterated in vain?

Furthermore, Professor Scratch has done an amazing job of documenting all the nastiness that sprouts from LDS apologetics - The D. Michael Quinn incident, for instance - and I couldn't agree more, LDS apologetics is a rotten enterprise.

Hi GoodK,

Rather enjoyed a number of your posts on another board, until you were banned.... don't really know all the details about that. But I suppose its neither hear nor there.

I suppose I just don't have a big issue with LDS apologists getting paid for their work.

In my mind you have the LDS.... take it or leave it, they believe what they believe and try to get others to believe what they believe also. Its a religion, they all seem to have a similar approach. Also, in religion, it seems the bigger the unified group you have, the more resources you have.

Other non-LDS groups that know about LDS beliefs or consider themselves targeted by LDS miss. efforts, most likely don't agree with them or their efforts. So these other groups have folks that form ministries, write books, etc.. to protect their groups from LDS and also to make LDS believe what they believe instead. by the way... there are plenty of folks in my opinion who have received remuneration for this sort of activity.

Well.. now that compounds the situation. LDS can't operate as freely because someone is trying to educate the target audience against them, not to mention swipe some of their members in process. So...they in turn must defend and counter. This takes time, money and resources.... So what, I just don't see the big deal. Its their resources, time, etc... Does it really matter how they spend it?

I just don't really see the point in being bent out of shape about it. I don't blame any organization for seeking to defend its autonomy, nor I do I blame it for seeking to grow as an organization. Regardless of my agreement or lack thereof with its beliefs.

Mudcat

by the way... does anyone know how many posts I have to make to become something other than a "Sunbeam"?
edit add... not that its a bad thing being a Sunbeam. I seem to be the only one and feel rather distinctive by being a "Sunbeam". Give me a magnifying glass and I can incinerate ants at whim.

[_harmony]

I suppose I just don't have a big issue with LDS apologists getting paid for their work.

I agree. After all, the laborer is worthy of his hire. So pay them!

LDS can't operate as freely because someone is trying to educate the target audience against them, not to mention swipe some of their members in process.

There it is again... the Agenda!

So...they in turn must defend and counter. This takes time, money and resources.... So what, I just don't see the big deal. Its their resources, time, etc... Does it really matter how they spend it?

Nope. The only quibble I have is... open the books! (but then, we all know how I feel about hidden financials and the potential for malfesance).

by the way... does anyone know how many posts I have to make to become something other than a "Sunbeam"?

But Leos are always rays of sunshine (spoken by a true Leo...)

[_Mudcat]

But Leos are always rays of sunshine (spoken by a true Leo...)

I new we had something in common, your posts are just so.... affable.
(spoken by another true Leo, twice if you count my avatar)

[_GoodK]

That must have happened prior to January 2008 when I joined this board, because I have yet to see him do any of those things.

Are you honestly objective on this? I have said that Scratch often has some interesting information. But so much gets lost in the noise and spin that it is silly.

I respect and admire you both, but I have never agreed with your or Trevor's characterization of Mister Scratch. I never have. I read the same things, and I can never arrive at your conclusions. I think it is because you are willing to give DCP the benefit of the doubt and Scratch and I aren't . But I don't know.

As for objectiveness, I don't know. He is the reason why I post here, and he has been more than kind to me in our PM's to each other. I look up to him. He must write for a living, or if he doesn't he should. His posts are always worth reading. I would not see much of a reason to participate on this board if he were to leave.

As for his "spin" - I hope he doesn't mind me sharing this little portion of a PM conversation we had a while back as a testament to his journalistic integrity:

Grosskreutz: I don't know what you can do with this sort of information, or if you have any advice, but feel free as always to post it to the board.

MS: Okay, thanks. There is not really anything I can post at this point, since it is all too speculative...

[_Daniel Peterson]

That's downright moving.

I wonder if Scratch yearns for my early death, as GoodK does. If so, he hasn't publicly expressed it.