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Mudcat wrote:Who determines what the right thing is, in regards to Ray A? I am not trying to call you on the carpet... it just sounds like you hold yourself to your own standard. I am curious what your standard is.


That standard is being honest, being fair to people, and not treating people according to their skin colour or their standing in society, nor their sexuality, be they gay or straight.

What is so difficult about this that any human being can't work it out?

Why should I adhere to an ideology that says if you don't accept Christ you'll spend eternity in hell? Did Christ create morality? Or did he just try to encourage it?
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bcspace wrote:
Of course the earth was created in 6 24-hour days. The prophets say so, so it must be so.


Got anything doctrinal to support that?


It's in the endowment, space. Are you saying that's not doctrinal? Or are you going to quibble about what a day is?
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Of course the earth was created in 6 24-hour days. The prophets say so, so it must be so.

Got anything doctrinal to support that?


It's in the endowment, space. Are you saying that's not doctrinal? Or are you going to quibble about what a day is?


Just as I thought. You don't have anything showing that the LDS Church teaches the earth was created in 6 24-hour days.
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bcspace wrote:Just as I thought. You don't have anything showing that the LDS Church teaches the earth was created in 6 24-hour days.


So how do you interpret this:

12 Q. What are we to understand by the sounding of the trumpets, mentioned in the 8th chapter of Revelation?

A. We are to understand that as God made the world in six days, and on the seventh day he finished his work, and sanctified it, and also formed man out of the dust of the earth, even so, in the beginning of the seventh thousand years will the Lord God sanctify the earth, and complete the salvation of man, and judge all things, and shall redeem all things, except that which he hath not put into his power, when he shall have sealed all things, unto the end of all things; and the sounding of the trumpets of the seven angels are the preparing and finishing of his work, in the beginning of the seventh thousand years—the preparing of the way before the time of his coming. (D&C 77)


Leviticus:

3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.
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So how do you interpret this:


The same way the Church would.....

Generally speaking, those who accept the scriptural account subscribe to one of three basic theories about the age of the world. All three theories depend on how the word day, as used in the creation account, is interpreted.

[The three theories described]

While it is interesting to note these various theories, officially the Church has not taken a stand on the age of the earth. For reasons best known to Himself, the Lord has not yet seen fit to formally reveal the details of the Creation. Therefore, while Latter-day Saints are commanded to learn truth from many different fields of study (see D&C 88:77–79), an attempt to establish any theory as the official position of the Church is not justifiable.
OLD TESTAMENT STUDENT MANUAL GENESIS–2 SAMUEL Section 2-3 "How Old Is the Earth?"
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bcspace wrote:
So how do you interpret this:


The same way the Church would.....

Generally speaking, those who accept the scriptural account subscribe to one of three basic theories about the age of the world. All three theories depend on how the word day, as used in the creation account, is interpreted.

[The three theories described]

While it is interesting to note these various theories, officially the Church has not taken a stand on the age of the earth. For reasons best known to Himself, the Lord has not yet seen fit to formally reveal the details of the Creation. Therefore, while Latter-day Saints are commanded to learn truth from many different fields of study (see D&C 88:77–79), an attempt to establish any theory as the official position of the Church is not justifiable.
OLD TESTAMENT STUDENT MANUAL GENESIS–2 SAMUEL Section 2-3 "How Old Is the Earth?"


Um, BC, we already know the age of the earth, and that evolution is a fact. We don't need FP statements not taking an "official stand". Which means, in essence, "we are waiting for science to tell us what to say in our next statement release".

But you don't see it, do you, BC? This is the whole history of religion. "Revelation" that comes after the fact. And in this regard you don't understand Joseph Smith's progressive theology. You think he just got it from "heavenly father". In truth, Joseph was vigourously studying what scientists were saying, even down to his many worlds theology in the POGP, which Swedenborg was on to long before Joseph.

But indulge your fantasy that Joseph was "unique". His phraseology in the POGP reflected a sort of "scriptural genius", but it was nothing new. All of these ideas were entertained long before Joseph Smith. He just had the knack of making it appear it was "new revelation".
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Um, BC, we already know the age of the earth, and that evolution is a fact. We don't need FP statements not taking an "official stand". Which means, in essence, "we are waiting for science to tell us what to say in our next statement release".


While that an error in correlation, with this logic, you should have no problem with LDS doctrine as we accept all truth.
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bcspace wrote:While that an error in correlation, with this logic, you should have no problem with LDS doctrine as we accept all truth.


No problem. I'll talk to my bish tomorrow. :lol:

One thing I have to say about you, BC, is that you're great entertainment! One of a kind. You're a good sport and a fair debater, and no where near the rancorous and vindictive apologists.

Hating you would be almost impossible for me.
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One thing I have to say about you, BC, is that you're great entertainment! One of a kind. You're a good sport and a fair debater, and no where near the rancorous and vindictive apologists.

Hating you would be almost impossible for me.


Well that's a mighty fine thing for you to say. Perhaps you could show me 'round the Commonwealth one of these days?

Still no evidence on the "6 24-hour days" claim by harmony? Case closed!
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Ray A wrote:
Mudcat wrote:Who determines what the right thing is, in regards to Ray A? I am not trying to call you on the carpet... it just sounds like you hold yourself to your own standard. I am curious what your standard is.

That standard is being honest, being fair to people, and not treating people according to their skin colour or their standing in society, nor their sexuality, be they gay or straight.

I can't disagree with your statement. I'll be the first to say that I am not entirely without prejudice though. Different life events seem to change you, in regards to people... stereotypes are formed which is for the worse, though in some cases stereotypes can be torn down as well. I don't believe Christ is in these things that don't promote loving our fellow man, but I do find Christ in the things that remove prejudice.
What is so difficult about this that any human being can't work it out?

Its a good question. I dunno really, but it seems a pretty difficult thing to work out.. at least on a global scale. The world seems to be filled with a lot of people that want to hate others, I don't really get it.
Why should I adhere to an ideology that says if you don't accept Christ you'll spend eternity in hell?

I'm not saying you should. I don't suppose I do.
Did Christ create morality?

I thinks so... at least indirectly.
Or did he just try to encourage it?

I think he encourages immortality.
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