Imwashingmypirate wrote:It is kinda strange, I know that a few months ago I was drinking coffee because I was falling asleep in class and it actually made me feel a bit bad, like I was doing something wrong. I don't really know why as I generally try not to let people control me.
Well, you should know why, if you are a member of the church, which you are. That is the Light of Christ and/or the Holy Ghost telling you that you were a bad girl.
Careful, you are on the slippery slope towards atheism.
I detest my loose style and my libertine sentiments. I thank God, who has removed from my eyes the veil... Adrian Beverland
Imwashingmypirate wrote:It is kinda strange, I know that a few months ago I was drinking coffee because I was falling asleep in class and it actually made me feel a bit bad, like I was doing something wrong. I don't really know why as I generally try not to let people control me.
Well, you should know why, if you are a member of the church, which you are. That is the Light of Christ and/or the Holy Ghost telling you that you were a bad girl.
Careful, you are on the slippery slope towards atheism.
Are you serious? Lol, I am closer to Pantheism than Atheism.
Okay, I confess I posted several times on RFM recently, yesterday actually. I was sort of curious to have some conversation with SL Cabbie, since we are in the same profession. Cabbie and I probably disagree on a lot, but we have this in common.
Anyway, while I was on RFM, for the first time in six and a half years, I noticed the title of a post there: "I'm drinking my first coffee tonight." Good God. You'd think this person was confessing to adultery or something. But in Mormonism, that's how innocently drinking a cup of coffee can seem - like a major crime!
Try to be just as mindless, banal, and irrelevant as you possibly can Ray. At this point you rarely fail to exceed expectations.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
gramps wrote:Back in my university days, I decided to take a course with Professor McMurrin. It became a big stink with my father. He told me he wouldn't pay for that class, if I decided to take it. I said ok. Then, he backed down and paid for it anyway. (I imagine he regrets doing that, now).
I didn't realise you and your family were in proximity to Mc Murrin gramps. Interesting. Even in my early days of beginning to explore "alternative history" and reading Sunstone I became aware of Mc Murrin's unofficial title of "the anti-Christ of Salt Lake City". When I later read his writings I began to wonder what was so eeeeevil about the man, apart from the fact that he was very critical of Packer and Benson, which was still not evil in my opinion. There's a great Sunstone article by Richard Poll titled The Swearing Elders (PDF) which I think would interest you. It really gives insight to how different 1950s Mormonism was.
It certainly is an absurdity that over emphasis in the WoW has created. It is even more amazing when one understands that 19th century Mormons drank coffee, tea, some drank liquor, chewed etc. The WOW was never meant by Joseph Smith to be such a club that it is today.
That's what has actually interested me for a long time, Jason, and it confirms Ed Firmage's comments about Fawn Brodie warning that the Church was being overtaken by a rigid conservatism.
How much of this is, I wonder, "the gospel of Christ"?
It certainly is an absurdity that over emphasis in the WoW has created. It is even more amazing when one understands that 19th century Mormons drank coffee, tea, some drank liquor, chewed etc. The WOW was never meant by Joseph Smith to be such a club that it is today.
That's what has actually interested me for a long time, Jason, and it confirms Ed Firmage's comments about Fawn Brodie warning that the Church was being overtaken by a rigid conservatism.
How much of this is, I wonder, "the gospel of Christ"?
Very very little.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
Brigham Young made the Wow a commandment because it was, as counsel, not being taken seriously enough by the Saints of the time. BY had the authority to do so, and according to the will of the Lord, he did.
The great sifting is, indeed, in process of working itself out isn't it? Light disinfects, but it also sometimes just hurts our eyes.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
Droopy wrote:Brigham Young made the Wow a commandment because it was, as counsel, not being taken seriously enough by the Saints of the time. BY had the authority to do so, and according to the will of the Lord, he did.
The great sifting is, indeed, in process of working itself out isn't it? Light disinfects, but it also sometimes just hurts our eyes.
I really wonder how much Mormon history you know, Droopy. The 1851 "commandment" was not a commandment (never canonised, and Young himself continued to chew tobacco for a long time after), this is a myth created by Joseph Fielding Smith. But only the uninformed still believe this myth.
I really wonder how much Mormon history you know, Droopy. The 1851 "commandment" was not a commandment (never canonised, and Young himself continued to chew tobacco for a long time after), this is a myth created by Joseph Fielding Smith. But only the uninformed still believe this myth.
You might be interested in this, from the Doctrine & Covenants, Student Manual:
Although the revelation of the Word of Wisdom was received on 27 February 1833, its acceptance by the individual members of the Church was gradual. On 9 September 1851, some eighteen years after it was given, the Patriarch to the Church, John Smith, delivered a talk to the Saints on the Word of Wisdom. Following his address, President Brigham Young arose and proposed to the general conference that all Saints formally covenant to abstain from tea, coffee, tobacco, whiskey, and "all things mentioned in the Word of Wisdom" ("Minutes of the General Conference," Millennial Star, 1 Feb. 1852, p.35). The motion was accepted unanimously and became binding as a commandment for all Church members thereafter.
Eventually Ray, you're going to have to confront whatever it is inside of you driving this nonsense.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
