Former Oklahoma City Temple President Apostatized

[_antishock8]

What I find interesting is all those years of faithful service are immediately invalidated and he is branded a sinner by The Nehor (who is representative of many a Mormon in this regard).

What a waste. All that effort, and now he's a dirty apostate to people like The Nehor.

[_TAK]

Why Me

Of course, this a second hand account. I would much rather hear it from the horse's mouth.

Bullsh*t.. You could spend 10 hours face to face with the guy and your cog-dis would find excuses to disbelieve him..

[_Jason Bourne]

Let's play a guessing game....what sin did these people commit?

Oh wait I forgot. Everyone who leaves the Church is FULL of integrity and only leaves over the deceit practiced against them. They're all victims, everyone. Poor idiots...I mean saints.

Nehor

Some do sin and decide to leave. Other actually do conclude that the Church is not what it claims to be and leave for that reason with out some gross sin as the motivator. It seems that you and others need to tell yourself it is always sin in order to confirm your own perhaps fragile position. Of course from a TBM stand point leaving is a sin in and of itself.

[_Jason Bourne]

KimberlyAnn,

Thank you for posting some of Chesney's story here. His departure parallels my own except for the fact that my positions and influence have been less significant. I am happy for him that his wife left with him. Hopefully their decision will influence others to be true to themselves.

I am once again inspired by the fact that he is taking his dignity, integrity, honesty, morality, virtue and belief in Christ with him - principles the Silent Suits cannot regulate nor take away.

In your opinion, can some who study the came think the Chesney's studied conclude that staying members is the best thing and maintain integrity, honesty etc. Or are your the only the ones that leave deserving of these accolades?

[_Chap]

This bit strikes me:

Jerrell was called to be the president of the Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Temple and his wife as the matron. ...he wrote the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve for help. It was his hope that the fifteen men whom he believed were entitled to revelation and the only fifteen men upon the earth capable of direct heavenly inspiration for the world would help him rescue his testimony. These men never responded ...

This is an important man, a temple president, a bishop, a long-term devoted servant of the church. He has problems with doctrine, and he writes to the leaders of his church for help.

These men never responded ... later they got someone to phone him, who basically told him to forget it.

Why didn't those men respond? Wasn't it worth their time? That hardly seems believable.

So why did they ignore this man?

[_Yong Xi]

Let's play a guessing game....what sin did these people commit?

Oh wait I forgot. Everyone who leaves the Church is FULL of integrity and only leaves over the deceit practiced against them. They're all victims, everyone. Poor idiots...I mean saints.

Isn't it a little silly to use sin as the reason people leave the church? As I understand it from your posts, you are (were) a self confessed masturbation/porn addict and yet you choose to remain in the church. Would it be fair to say that you stay in the church because of sin?

What sin did Nehor commit which caused him to stay in the church?

Be careful Nehor. If you stop sinning, you might lose your testimony.

I think it is fair to say that people sin and leave the church and people sin and stay in the church.

[_why me]

Why Me

Of course, this a second hand account. I would much rather hear it from the horse's mouth.

Bullsh*t.. You could spend 10 hours face to face with the guy and your cog-dis would find excuses to disbelieve him..

Cog-dis is an interesting word and antis love to use the word to descibe a LDS member. I suppose it is one of those words that turns people on. But I also see a lot of cog-dis on this site or on the postmormon site.

If I could attend a meeting with this guy and hear his story and if I were free to ask questions I would find it a very learning experience. But I would not let him slide away with simple answers either. I have discovered that on antimormon or postmormon sites, there is a wall of protection when it comes to the board members. No one can challenge the cog-dis that takes place on those forums. All posters must be protected from pro-lds posts.

But ... yes, I would have some questions for him.

[_The Nehor]

Let's play a guessing game....what sin did these people commit?

Oh wait I forgot. Everyone who leaves the Church is FULL of integrity and only leaves over the deceit practiced against them. They're all victims, everyone. Poor idiots...I mean saints.

Suppose they did leave because they had committed some sin that they didn't want to face discipline from the church for. What relevance does that have with regard to the claims of the church?

None at all on either side of the fence.

[Guest]

This bit strikes me:

Jerrell was called to be the president of the Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Temple and his wife as the matron. ...he wrote the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve for help. It was his hope that the fifteen men whom he believed were entitled to revelation and the only fifteen men upon the earth capable of direct heavenly inspiration for the world would help him rescue his testimony. These men never responded ...

This is an important man, a temple president, a bishop, a long-term devoted servant of the church. He has problems with doctrine, and he writes to the leaders of his church for help.

These men never responded ... later they got someone to phone him, who basically told him to forget it.

Why didn't those men respond? Wasn't it worth their time? That hardly seems believable.

So why did they ignore this man?

But here we have a problem. It is a second hand account and not a first hand account. How can I comment on a second hand account? Most of antimormon literature comes from second hand accounts of what someone was heard saying. Not very reliable. Lets have the man himself say a few words so people can respond to the problem . I certainly would not want a friend to do my dirty business.

[_The Nehor]

What I find interesting is all those years of faithful service are immediately invalidated and he is branded a sinner by The Nehor (who is representative of many a Mormon in this regard).

What a waste. All that effort, and now he's a dirty apostate to people like The Nehor.

After ten years of faithful service in His Majesty's Army and suddenly he defects. Should this invalidate his years of faithful service? Should he be branded a traitor?

I laughed long and hard about me representing the typical Mormon.