Mormon Gulag Commercial during General Conference

[_cinepro]

Yes indeed. It is clearly quite proper that American families should be able to sentence their children to terms of what amounts to incarceration without legal process, and without the child in question having any access to a lawyer.

Anything less would be a denial of all that our Constitution stands for.

Unless the child is an emancipated minor, he doesn't have access to "all that our Constitution stands for".

[_Tiktaalik]

The Nehor,

Perhaps this video would help take you to the next level:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE_H1bNPOc4

[_Chap]

Yes indeed. It is clearly quite proper that American families should be able to sentence their children to terms of what amounts to incarceration without legal process, and without the child in question having any access to a lawyer.

Anything less would be a denial of all that our Constitution stands for.

Unless the child is an emancipated minor, he doesn't have access to "all that our Constitution stands for".

So what does the Constitution, and indeed US federal law generally, guarantee by way of rights relevant to the topic under discussion for an "unemancipated minor"? And what does he or she have to do to get "emancipated"?

[_Jersey Girl]

Chap,

I want to say upfront that I'm not particularly in support of boot camps for teens unless it's the proverbial last straw in certain circumstances and providing that treatment isn't substandard and includes professional therapeutic services that address the entire family in an effort to re-route unhealthy dynamics.

Reading your comments regarding incarceration of youth, I cannot help but wonder what your position is on the propensity of American families to institutionalize their offspring as early as 6 weeks forward? Do you think that's a healthy choice for America's children?

[_Chap]

Reading your comments regarding incarceration of youth, I cannot help but wonder what your position is on the propensity of American families to institutionalize their offspring as early as 6 weeks forward? Do you think that's a healthy choice for America's children?

You mean "institutionalise" in the sense that both parents go back to full-time work, while their children are cared for by others, either as individuals or as a group?

If that is what you mean, I think that while that is an important topic it is a bit too far from boot-camp incarceration for me to want to go there on this thread.

[_Jersey Girl]

Reading your comments regarding incarceration of youth, I cannot help but wonder what your position is on the propensity of American families to institutionalize their offspring as early as 6 weeks forward? Do you think that's a healthy choice for America's children?

You mean "institutionalise" in the sense that both parents go back to full-time work, while their children are cared for by others, either as individuals or as a group?

If that is what you mean, I think that while that is an important topic it is a bit too far from boot-camp incarceration for me to want to go there on this thread.

Fair enough, however, I don't think you've considered the impact of early institutionalization that contributes to the strained and fractured relationships that lead to the boot-camp incarceration.

[_cinepro]

So what does the Constitution, and indeed US federal law generally, guarantee by way of rights relevant to the topic under discussion for an "unemancipated minor"? And what does he or she have to do to get "emancipated"?

I don't know. I'm not a lawyer. But those questions should be answered before appealing to the "Constitution" when discussing parental rights.

[_truth dancer]

This is such a difficult topic for me... gets my blood boiling actually!

In my work I am in constant contact with a facility designed to help youth who are unable to function safely in mainstream society.

In my state, these types of facilities are set up so there are numerous safeguards to protect these children, and nothing like what happens in Utah could happen here without numerous people knowing.

I cannot for the life of me imagine a parent voluntarily placing, or even allowing a child to reside where the rules and regulations are even remotely similar to those of the MG.

Further, I can't imagine a state allowing anything like the MG to exist.

It is heartbreaking, and life-breaking.

~td~

[_The Nehor]

The Nehor,

Perhaps this video would help take you to the next level:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE_H1bNPOc4

I tried to watch it but it was long and boring.

[_The Nehor]

This is such a difficult topic for me... gets my blood boiling actually!

In my work I am in constant contact with a facility designed to help youth who are unable to function safely in mainstream society.

In my state, these types of facilities are set up so there are numerous safeguards to protect these children, and nothing like what happens in Utah could happen here without numerous people knowing.

I cannot for the life of me imagine a parent voluntarily placing, or even allowing a child to reside where the rules and regulations are even remotely similar to those of the MG.

Further, I can't imagine a state allowing anything like the MG to exist.

It is heartbreaking, and life-breaking.

~td~

So when are you getting out of this facility you refer to?