Abman.. Also, the church discourages members from doing this sort of thing because it recognizes the importance of sensitivity in matters relating to loved ones who have departed this life.
TAK So is there any evidence this was done by an immediate family member of hers or just some pious Mormon?
Abman: I also think that baptism for the dead is misunderstood by the public.
TAK Hmmm .. I see. Much like how polygamy was misunderstood?
God has the right to create and to destroy, to make like and to kill. He can delegate this authority if he wishes to. I know that can be scary. Deal with it. Nehor.. Nov 08, 2010
asbestosman wrote: Baptism for the dead does not make someone a Mormon. Mormons don't believe it does, and critics don't belive that Mormons have any power over the dead. Therefore, the claim that Obama's mother is a Mormon is a bald-faced lie.
So those who receive and accept these ordinances in Paradise or the Spirit Prison, are not made Mormon? Sorry if I misunderstood. But for clarification sake, if they receive and accept these ordinances, can they still regard themselves as members of their original faith tradition?
While I'd like to post something with substance, my first reaction was to say, "Well [sigh]"
"The Lord is near to all who call on him, to all who call on him in truth. He fulfills the desire of those who fear him; he also hears their cry and saves them.” Psalm 145:18-19 ESV
moksha wrote:But for clarification sake, if they receive and accept these ordinances, can they still regard themselves as members of their original faith tradition?
Sure, why not? Tsuziki likes to think of himself as a Catholic, and a Mormon, and a paradigm pirate.
It is up to the individual and God to define what faith it is one adheres to. It's not up to Mormons sitting in a temple or a bunch of people looking to score some cheap shots against the church. It's not even up to relatives of the individual. Faith is a matter between God and the individual.
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Mormons dressed in 19th century Masonic clothes - performed Masonic rituals twisted into Mormon necrotic ceremonies wherein they pronounced her name aloud - and confirmed her baptized AND as a member of the Mormon Cult (with the words, "who is dead" inserted). This all done within a paying “members-only” temple in absolute secrecy. The Mormon Cult has come out stating that they take this matter “very seriously”, however, if the story had not been broken, the Mormon Cult would have said absolutely nothing.
Barack's mother is white while his father is black. Prior to the 1978 Mormon "revelation" allowing Blacks to have the Mormon Priesthood, the Mormon Cult actively forbid members to marry interracial. Mormon Prophet Brigham Young stated that any man or woman who married a black person was worthy of “death on the spot.”
Interesting that they did NOT do the work for Barack Obama, Sr., a black man, NOR did they do his work and SEAL the two together. Mormons chose a white woman over a black man.
Of course, there are no black Mormon temple workers in Provo either where Barack's mother was necro dunked and confirmed a member of the Mormon Cult.
WjExMo wrote:Interesting that they did NOT do the work for Barack Obama, Sr., a black man, NOR did they do his work and SEAL the two together. Mormons chose a white woman over a black man.
Guilty if we do, guilty if we don't. At least you've got all your bases covered. It'd be tragic if Mormons were somehow allowed to act in such a way that you couldn't criticize them.
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WjExMo wrote:Interesting that they did NOT do the work for Barack Obama, Sr., a black man, NOR did they do his work and SEAL the two together. Mormons chose a white woman over a black man.
Guilty if we do, guilty if we don't. At least you've got all your bases covered. It'd be tragic if Mormons were somehow allowed to act in such a way that you couldn't criticize them.
Asbestosman, are there cases where a deceased husband and wife do not have both of their temple work done? If so, are those cases an exception to general practice?
moksha wrote:Asbestosman, are there cases where a deceased husband and wife do not have both of their temple work done? If so, are those cases an exception to general practice?
I honestly don't know. I would imagine not doing so would be the exception.
However, since the President's birthparents had divoced before their deaths, I'm not sure that it's applicable to this case. They were no longer husband and wife. Do people who are divorced really wish to be married in the afterlife?
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