Looking for Lucy VS. Looking for God

[_bcspace]

Hey! they turned over tons of dirt to find Lucy. The Lord God deserves better than that!

Sure. But God and Lucy both exist.

[_Nightlion]

Hi Nightlion,

The Witness of Latter-day Zion is a whole big book about my story. Its there but you've got to look for it.

Yeah, I've got to put up The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Zion web site soon. Nobody is lining up. I wont trip all over myself.

It may be that no one will read a book without at the very least knowing a little about the author.

From your website it is really difficult to get a sense of where you are coming from. Maybe a brief paragraph telling readers a little about yourself and your calling would be helpful.

It may be that people are looking but can't figure out what you are saying.

Just trying to help! :-)

In terms of Lucy, I think the fact that she was found in the midst of the African plains is darn near miraculous; certainly more amazing than an angel giving someone a book. Seriously, what are the chances that a man would find the bones of Lucy, and more, having a near complete skeleton? Surely this must have had some sort of divine intervention!

I will tell you that spending time with Lucy, and pondering our existence was one of the more profound spiritual experiences of my life!

One thing is certain. Lucy is not going to return and interrupt the world and fully shift the planet into a refined state of existence. That great intrusion is promised to occur even if 99% of humanity is dedicated to it not happening. It is problematic that they are reading those bones correctly since they have this huge bias to satisfy. The entire science is our god because all good comes from science and science says that there is no other god smacks of Satanic evangelizing to predispose the population of the world to choose to fight God when he really gets close. Doesn't it feel like a set up? All these flattering wonders of our day spawned by those telling us that there is no God?

When did Satan begin to fight and why could he not have treated them bones and left them where a led person might find them...?..he is the master of lies you know. Do you think he has no plan? Oh, you don't think he exists either. Of course.

[_JohnStuartMill]

You were home-schooled, weren't you?

[_moksha]

The gospel rites initiate a new heart. This is an act of creation. God will visit you by his Almighty power and remove the foreskin from off you heart that keeps the natural man from the love of God.

This is a lofty thought, however few of us have foreskin on our heart. I like to think that God's love extends to all.

[_Dr. Shades]

Nightlion:

First off, shouldn't your screen name by "NightZion?"

Second off, if God doesn't like us just the way we are, then why did He create us this way?

[_truth dancer]

When did Satan begin to fight and why could he not have treated them bones and left them where a led person might find them...?..he is the master of lies you know. Do you think he has no plan? Oh, you don't think he exists either. Of course.

If Satan could "treat them bones" and lead people to find them, and if he is the master of all lies, then I'm guessing he could get people to think they are seeing Jesus in their corn flakes, words in a hat, or truth in a mountain.

Just saying.

Back to my point, could you give us a brief summary of where you are with the LDS church?

Do you think you are a prophet?
Are you still a member of the LDS church?
Is God calling you to lead humanity?
Do you have multiple wives?
Have you spoken with Thomas Monson about your revelations?
How do you know the mountain is your seer stone?
How do you know you are not confused or misunderstanding?

Thanks,

~td~

[_harmony]

The best witness I accept is Christ.

So... am I to infer that you have proof that a man called Christ existed, and that he was the son of God?

A man can't be a witness for something, unless it's a given that he existed and that he was what he said he was.

In other words, produce the Christ or you have no witness. You have faith, but you don't have a witness (and neither does anyone else who makes the same claim.)

[_Nightlion]

The best witness I accept is Christ.

So... am I to infer that you have proof that a man called Christ existed, and that he was the son of God?

A man can't be a witness for something, unless it's a given that he existed and that he was what he said he was.

In other words, produce the Christ or you have no witness. You have faith, but you don't have a witness (and neither does anyone else who makes the same claim.)

You want someone that you can put up on the stand and cross examine? NPI Why call this forum Mormon Discussions? It is wall to wall AtheistsRus.

If words tell you how to find God and by faithfully following the method outlined you get the promised results, those words count as a reliable witness, proving the truth of said witness in real results that are repeatable by anyone willing to attempt it correctly. Lots of really bad methods feign themselves as Christ's method.

Only getting the same results proves that you did it correctly. I did and so I am a second witness. Perhaps the only living second witness on the planet today.
Far as I know anything about it I am.

I am certain with your attitude there is no way you could possibly work the outlined method or even begin to comprehend its parts. When a bias listens or reads it will not hear or comprehend what is being said.

[_JohnStuartMill]

Only getting the same results proves that you did it correctly.

Best summation of revelatory epistemology EVER.

[_Nightlion]

Do you think you are a prophet?

Yes.
"No man can be a minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ and not be a prophet" (TPJS 160)

I recieved the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost which is what makes any man or woman a prophet or prophetess. WHEN THEY REALLY GET IT RIGHT And I have been wrought upon by the power of the HG to speak the word of the Lord, dully noted and witnessed by two Elders who of themselves so affirmed, and have also been given personal revelations by hearing the word of the Lord spoken unto me while the power of God was upon me. I could go on and one by why?

Are you still a member of the LDS church?

No. Now you can fill out your report already, there in your 50 East South Temple cubicle.

Is God calling you to lead humanity?

I am a remnant of Zion. The Church left me or is disolving all around me. I am a witness of the gospel of Jesus Christ that will bring forth a real Zion. If anyone is interested I can help them. I rather doubt much of humanity is interested and less of the LDS. I am the servant in Christ's hands (3 Nephi 20-21) who continues the Stange Act and the marvelous work and the wonder. I will probably get what was promised to Oliver Cowdery some day. To complete the last corner stone {Christ, Chief Corner-Peter-Joseph Smith-James Q. Muir, so it seems} that the great mountain of Zion can fill the whole earth. You got to have all four corners before the building can go up. The little stone has been hurled against the Great Image of Babylon. (See Daniel) Cut out of the mountain without hands is apt to what we see on Mount Olympus...how cool. LDS Astonishment is the little stone that hits them. Poetic license again please.

Do you have multiple wives?

No, and never did. Only one ever and for 25 years now, with five kids all out of HS. Two married. On in the service. Two thinking about moving out.

Have you spoken with Thomas Monson about your revelations?

Twenty-five years ago then Elder Monson nearly got my dad to build him a custom home. We had just finished one for a dear chum of his. They (his chums not Monson)were prowling about and poking me with inquries back then because I got put on offical probation for opening up LDS scripture with startling new theology that connected the end from the beginning and answered all the stupid speculations. But they disengaged when they saw how complete my answers were based upon existing scripture and that I did not need any extra revelations to unfold this from the LDS canon and that I was not try to start anything, and I did not freak out when the put the humiliation on me.

The few times I have applied to a Stake President to adjudicate my case they tell me my cause is just but they will not refer me up to talk with someone who could actually act upon my doctrinal issues. In other words the big guys are kept insulated from me because they already know they cannot win the slightest point with me.

How do you know the mountain is your seer stone?

I am the first to see what still nobody else will admit. I have received revelations from reading that mountain. And so can everyone who looks at it. It is a revelation of its own witness. But I use this term mostly just to give everyone a jolt. Poetic license to the greater degree.

How do you know you are not confused or misunderstanding?]

1.After recieving the gift and power of the HG I read all the scriptures through (not always the Old Testament) every year for ten years. I am expert with them. I would know instantly if anything were amiss according to what is written.
2. I know by the HG when something is amiss from forty years of experience including the attainment of nearly all advanced degrees of righteousness.
3. Nothing that I have brought forth concerning the Mount Olympus Ensign unto the Nations, its apostolic witness of Jesus Christ, and its overt repudiation of the LDS Church is contrary to what the scriptures predict. So I am not confused nor misunderstanding.

I think you want to know if it is possible that Satan might be misleading me. Satan is kept off me because of the way I came up. Without first seeing God and visiting angels, or marvelous golden plates to translate and an abundance of friends and family who all faithfully champion my integrity and virtue and follow my lead, I got the gospel right amid violent apostasy and LDS hypocrisy. So my unique status does not allow Satan the right to trouble me. I accomplished all by faith alone (and that very much alone--with no guide and against the tide of abominations of self-righteousness way off the mark) with the word of God. The LDS church wrote me off before I was baptised at eight. Long story but very interesting as to why. Suffice it to say that they knew from my infancy of what sort I was of and sought to quash it. Pres. Hinckley was my Stake President. Chilling evil stuff that.

So no extraordinary helps therefore no supernatural advantages gained by the adversary to use against me. Really quite remarkably wise of God to set it up this way this time. Hid as it were with Christ in God to survive as seed for Zion in time. Tuff for me. But what can I say?

[qutoe]Thanks,[/quote]

Thanks for asking.