Why me's "Smith was Human" excuse..

[Guest]

You must remember these standards have only been codified since then.

Why me is correct that Prophets are only human and as such are subject to human desires and foibles. Our "natural man" is always present, despite the social compacts we make and even if we put our superego into hyperdrive. Lust happens. Big deal.

True. Joseph Smith being a rough stone rolling and a natural man would certainly experience lust and a host of other things to. And if we take into the account the satan factor, satan would be working ovetime on Joseph Smith. But through it all, he ( with god's help, if one is a TBM) built a church with a good seed and this seed as spread around the world. And just like in the past, people are attempting to bring it down.

[_Ray A]

And so, members who read RSR and are disappointed about not reading a biography of a mystic...

Once again you show your ignorance of Mormonism. The "mystic" idea was proposed by an RLDS scholar. Mormons do not consider Joseph Smith a "mystic".

[_why me]

And regardless of any earthly imperfections that he may have, repentance is a wonderful antidote to imperfection.

How does one repent of taking another man's wife?

Keep harping Ray...and judging.

[_Ray A]

But there are others who appreciate the human element to the story.

How does a "human element" add to veracity? Hitler was a teetotaler, non-smoker and vegetarianian who abhorred the killing of animals.

In a diary entry dated April 26, 1942, Joseph Goebbels described Hitler as a committed vegetarian, writing,

"An extended chapter of our talk was devoted by the Führer to the vegetarian question. He believes more than ever that meat-eating is harmful to humanity. Of course he knows that during the war we cannot completely upset our food system. After the war, however, he intends to tackle this problem also. Maybe he is right. Certainly the arguments that he adduces in favor of his standpoint are very compelling."

Yet he had no problem gassing Jews, Jehovah's Witnesses and homosexuals to death.

[_Ray A]

Keep harping Ray...and judging.

Ad hominems are not effective. Address my questions.

[_Ray A]

Keep harping Ray...and judging.

Judging? I am telling you, Mormons do not consider Joseph Smith a "mystic".

[_why me]

And so, members who read RSR and are disappointed about not reading a biography of a mystic...

Once again you show your ignorance of Mormonism. The "mystic" idea was proposed by an RLDS scholar. Mormons do not consider Joseph Smith a "mystic".

You misunderstood. When one reads the life of mystic as for example a catholic mystic, they seem to have a constant oneness with god. Joseph Smith did not live a mystic life. But for some Mormons, this 'mystic' life should be present, thus they cannot deal with the human element very well.

[_Ray A]

You misunderstood. When one reads the life of mystic as for example a catholic mystic, they seem to have a constant oneness with god. Joseph Smith did not live a mystic life. But for some Mormons, this 'mystic' life should be present, thus they cannot deal with the human element very well.

I did not misunderstand, why me. The real problem is your lack of understanding. I can see where you're coming from, as you adhere, also, to a "mystical tradition". But Mormonism is different. To admit to "mysticism" is to admit to openness to "spiritual experience", which, in other words, means that the "Mormon mystical experience" is no different to any other. That is not what Mormons claim. They claim that the experience with the "constant companionship of the Holy Ghost is" unique to Mormons, "authorised" by Mormon priesthood. You do not find this in mystical traditions.

My beef here is with your astounding ignorance, and nothing else.

[_Ray A]

Why me, you still haven't explained what the "natural man" is. Is that some kind of pass to authorise polygamy as some kind of "Celestial reward" for avoiding the "natural man" while in the flesh? But in the CK bedding and banging whoever you like?

[_why me]

Why me, you still haven't explained what the "natural man" is. Is that some kind of pass to authorise polygamy as some kind of "Celestial reward" for avoiding the "natural man" while in the flesh? But in the CK bedding and banging whoever you like?

I think that I said that I don't include polygamy in this as far as Joseph Smith's reasons for instituting it since it came from god (unless proven otherwise). But the natural man would have all the tempations that you may have Ray or for that matter anyone else. Joseph Smith was no different, but then again, neither is Monson any different. We all have human desires stemming from the natural man and woman.

And Ray do you remember the good ol' days when you were more balanced in your opinion of Mormonism. Your sig line used to be the quotation of Joseph Smith where he claims that he is not righteous. Have you forgotton?