CA gay marriage ruling ....

[_Calculus Crusader]

Equality under the law loses this round, but it's not out for good. Expect to see gay marriage in California within five years.

I'd stop making predictions if I were you, Carnac.

[_Calculus Crusader]

I'd like to take this opportunity to complain about California's initiative system. Prop 13 f****d us in the ass so hard that budget sanity is not in the foreseeable future. And why even have a constitution if it can be amended by a simple majority?

No it didn't, junior. Out of control spending is what buggered California, not Prop 13. Every election cycle there are propositions couched in feel good language that bury us deeper in debt, on top of the money the Democrats in the legislature regularly blow through.

[_Brackite]

Same-sex marriage: California Supreme Court had little choice but to uphold Proposition 8:
http://www.mercurynews.com/topstories/c ... ck_check=1

[_JohnStuartMill]

Equality under the law loses this round, but it's not out for good. Expect to see gay marriage in California within five years.

I'd stop making predictions if I were you, Carnac.

I'll make a bet with you, if you're up for it. I'll give you 5 to 1.

[_JohnStuartMill]

I'd like to take this opportunity to complain about California's initiative system. Prop 13 f****d us in the ass so hard that budget sanity is not in the foreseeable future. And why even have a constitution if it can be amended by a simple majority?

No it didn't, junior. Out of control spending is what buggered California, not Prop 13. Every election cycle there are propositions couched in feel good language that bury us deeper in debt, on top of the money the Democrats in the legislature regularly blow through.

Prop 13 is just as much a component of California's debt crisis as any other set of initiatives. We would not be in nearly this much debt but for Prop 13.