Marriage Licenses?

[_Brackite]

Hello,

I assume that since bcspace is claiming that the 'marriages' only seem to be sealings, that he is claiming that Joseph Smith's marriages were just for eternity only.

From Todd COMPTON, In Sacred Loneliness:

Some, like Emma Smith, conclude that Joseph's marriages were for eternity only, not for time (thus without earthly sexuality).

( Link: http://www.signaturebooks.com/excerpts/insacred.htm )


It is somewhat surprising that bcspace is arguing that, 'they were not marriages out of tradition; they only seem to be sealings', since bcspace has argued several times here, that Jacob 2:30 is a loophole for the Lord God to allow (or command) Plural Marriage, to raise up seed.

Here is again Jacob 2:30:

[30] For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.

Now bcspace is arguing that there were no children from these sealings. Hence, Joseph Smith entered into plural Marriage, and he did Not raise up seed unto the Lord God through his Plural Marriages.
Any why would Joseph Smith Marry a lot of Woman for eternity only? (Please Remember that eternity only is going to be for a very, very, very long time.) Please Remember that the sex ratio is about 100 Females born for every 105 Males.

From About.com:

How many boys are born for every 100 girls?

There are 105 boy babies born for ever[y] 100 girl babies worldwide but scientists haven't determined why this sex ratio is so.

( Link: http://geography.about.com/library/faq/ ... eratio.htm )


How many Women were Joseph Smith sealed to, for eternity only too?

Here seems to be the Answer:

On page 96 of Brigham Young and his Wives,, Stewart noted that Joseph Smith also had " 150 dead women…sealed to him; also a few women sealed to him after his death." In the Preface to the Second Edition of her book No Man Knows My History, Fawn Brodie revealed: "...over 200 women, apparently at their own request, were sealed as wives to Joseph Smith after his death in special temple ceremonies.

( Link: http://www.letusreason.org/LDS%209.htm )


Why in the world did Joseph Smith need to be sealed too (Married for eternity only) to so very, very, many, many Women???

[_bcspace]

Then A) why does FamilySearch.org call them marriages,

Why are they not marriages in the "traditional" sense?

and B) why did several women affirm that they were literal, sexual marriages?

CFR on intimate relations with other men's wives to whom he was sealed.

[_Dr. Shades]

Why are they not marriages in the "traditional" sense?

Why do you think?

CFR on intimate relations with other men's wives to whom he was sealed.

So you admit that he had intimate relations with women who weren't other men's wives. That's a good start.

[_moksha]

The main reason why Joseph Smith did Not obtain Marriage licenses for any of those to whom he was 'married' and sealed to, is because Bigamy was illegal within the State of Illinois back then.

Sure. Though I was thinking more along the lines of no additional marriage licenses being further evidence that these were not marriages of the type you critics want them to be. Perhaps the fact that there are no children from these sealings is the best evidence for that.

I think they even denied that polygamy existed during this time, so this too could be further evidence these marriages were not of the type those critics so salaciously wanted them to be. Of course no children could arise from chaste and pure couplings. These critics are so baffling.

[_Brackite]

From Todd COMPTON, In Sacred Loneliness:

Some, like Emma Smith, conclude that Joseph's marriages were for eternity only, not for time (thus without earthly sexuality). But many of Joseph's wives affirmed that they were married to him for eternity and time, with sexuality included. Eliza Snow, in her autobiography, wrote that "I was sealed to the Prophet Joseph Smith, for time and eternity, in accordance with the Celestial Law of Marriage which God has revealed." Furthermore, there are no known instances of marriages for "eternity only" in the nineteenth century.

Some have pointed out that Mary Elizabeth Rollins Lightner said in 1905, "I ... was sealed to Joseph for Eternity." Thus, they argue, Smith had no relations with her, a polyandrous wife, as he was married to her for eternity only. However, Lightner apparently was merely emphasizing eternity in this statement; she testified in three different places that she was also sealed to Smith for time. For example, in a 1902 statement, she said, "Brigham Young Sealed me to him [Smith], for time & all eternity."

( Link: http://www.signaturebooks.com/excerpts/insacred.htm )