Do Apologists Want to Destroy Critics' Lives?

[_Trevor]

Incidentally, I only provided one link, and I think it's clear that some of the leaders wanted to toss Quinn overboard without a lifejacket. They may not have set out to purposely destroy his life, but that was basically the end result.

He got thrown under the Great Caravan.

[_Daniel Peterson]

I'm not suggesting that you were a part of any "conspiracy to destroy Quinn".

I know, and, given the tenor of the opening post, I appreciate it.

My point is a bit larger than that, though. I don't believe that such a conspiracy exists. Not even remotely. But I think that, if it did, I would probably have been invited to be a part of it, or, at a very minimum, would have caught a whiff of it.

Dallin Oaks will, however, need to tighten up a bit, going on how he gave contrary accounts to the media and Steve Benson (as recently discussed at length on MAD). I said on that thread I didn't think this was a capital offense, and he was obviously caught between a rock and a grizzly bear.

I haven't followed that discussion.

[_Daniel Peterson]

All I recall is that the cyanide I secretly slipped into your subway sandwich seemed to have no effect at all. Maybe there is something to be said for J. Golden Kimball's
old "chapel chaps" personal protection remark after all.

Sheesh, Dale! How naïve!

I had imagined that my toxic personality would have clued you in already: I grew up on cyanide. In my family, each of us swilled a gallon of it every evening just before we went out to find and torture kittens.

[_Doctor Scratch]

Either I'm totally missing their subtle slings and arrows -- or others are imagining them.

Comments?

Dale R. Broadhurst
The Thinking Mormon's Anti-Mormon

Hi there, Dale. For one thing, I think your tongue-in-cheek "title" (i.e., "The Thinking Mormon's Anti-Mormon") is actually pretty accurate. You aren't seen as a threat to "the cause" at all. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't your main "anti-Mormon" area of study the Spalding Theory? If so, DCP has summarily dismissed it is "silly nonsense," or something to that effect. The bottom line is that the apologists aren't the least bit worried about the Spalding theory affecting anyone's testimony. They are far more concerned---as is probably obvious---with critiques aimed at the Book of Abraham, ala Metcalfe's work.

Also: you've never been LDS, right? Folks like Infymus, Metcalfe, Steve Benson, and Mike Quinn all *were* LDS at one time, so apologists treat them with a lot more hostility and venom. Finally: you tend to be a very calm poster. Even if you were being provoked, I rather doubt that you'd finally wind up using profanity, and thus the apologists don't have that sort of "dirt" to sling at you.

[Guest]

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Ray, I think Mike Quinn is a very bright guy with superb training who has made some important contributions to Mormon historiography, and I have no doubt that he's still a believer.

I'm not quite sure, though, how that answers my question. Here's my personal perspective: If there really exists, or has existed, a conspiracy to destroy or damage Mike Quinn, I've never been a part of it nor even so much as heard of it. Which, given my situation, would be really odd.

You *did* hear about it. You told everyone on the old FAIRboard that you'd been chatting with a friend of Quinn's "then-Stake President." You were privy to the wheels turning in motion to squash out Quinn's reputation. You yourself posted multiple times about how Quinn's history is "untrustworthy," and you went out of your way to paint him as a homosexual sinner.

Incidentally, I noticed that you've completely skimmed over your role in this recent SHIELDS business. You were the one who originally passed along the emails to Stan Barker. What were your intentions in doing that, if not to harm, or exact revenge?

[_JonasS]

It is sure nice to see DCP and Doctor Scratch back. Hey Scratch are you really a Doctor? Someday (after recieving a brain transplant) I plan to become a Doctor. I'm not quite there yet. I am on the waiting list for the waitinglist that has been stored in vacuumed dry ice (haha) until Scientists work out how to transplant living brains into a live body that needs both the knowledge it has and the knowledge it could possibly gain to actually achieve. Pretty neat heh? I shouldn't say that really, because someone might actually think I am serious and come along wanting to experiment with my brain, which certainly would not be fun at all. But then anyone thinking I am serious would probably be better off having a brain transplant themselved. Wouldn't it be cool if we could like have plugs coming out of our brains that we could plug into a computer and suck up the entire knowledge of all that we know and actually be able to process it? That would be awesome. Knowing my luck I'd probably spill a drink on the computer whilst in the middle of transfer and fry my brains, but not before the had reached critical mass and were about to explode anyway. Haha. Ok I am getting carried away with myself. I just sure hope that my dreams tonight are not influenced at all by todays events. It wouldn't be nice to dream of exploding turkey brains steralised with bleach with cranberry sauce as blood and using a mop to clean it up whilst having a brain transplant for you to then be frozen in a dry ice tunnel whilst the insides of your face are being sucked out by a vacuum cleaner and then thrown out with the trash in the wheely bin along with the dandilion. Haha, that pretty much sums up my day. Only fish would be floating around also. And as I usually dream of hamsters it would be likely that my brain was accidently switched with a hamsters brain and because it's brain was only small, it wouldn't make a great deal of mess when it spatters after trying to get the knowledge I originally had providing I did actually survive...


The Moral of the story???... Be happy with the brains you have. Haha.

Ok I think I am hyper. I plan to pray to God that I actually don't dream that because that would be pretty scary.

[_JonasS]

It is sure nice to see DCP and Doctor Scratch back. Hey Scratch are you really a Doctor? Someday (after recieving a brain transplant) I plan to become a Doctor. I'm not quite there yet. I am on the waiting list for the waitinglist that has been stored in vacuumed dry ice (haha) until Scientists work out how to transplant living brains into a live body that needs both the knowledge it has and the knowledge it could possibly gain to actually achieve. Pretty neat heh? I shouldn't say that really, because someone might actually think I am serious and come along wanting to experiment with my brain, which certainly would not be fun at all. But then anyone thinking I am serious would probably be better off having a brain transplant themselved. Wouldn't it be cool if we could like have plugs coming out of our brains that we could plug into a computer and suck up the entire knowledge of all that we know and actually be able to process it? That would be awesome. Knowing my luck I'd probably spill a drink on the computer whilst in the middle of transfer and fry my brains, but not before the had reached critical mass and were about to explode anyway. Haha. Ok I am getting carried away with myself. I just sure hope that my dreams tonight are not influenced at all by todays events. It wouldn't be nice to dream of exploding turkey brains steralised with bleach with cranberry sauce as blood and using a mop to clean it up whilst having a brain transplant for you to then be frozen in a dry ice tunnel whilst the insides of your face are being sucked out by a vacuum cleaner and then thrown out with the trash in the wheely bin along with the dandilion. Haha, that pretty much sums up my day. Only fish would be floating around also. And as I usually dream of hamsters it would be likely that my brain was accidently switched with a hamsters brain and because it's brain was only small, it wouldn't make a great deal of mess when it spatters after trying to get the knowledge I originally had providing I did actually survive...


The Moral of the story???... Be happy with the brains you have. Haha.

Ok I think I am hyper. I plan to pray to God that I actually don't dream that because that would be pretty scary.

Actually after reading back, that doesn't sound as bad as it was in my head. I was sure this was certifiable material.

[_Daniel Peterson]

Thank you, JonasS, for by far the best and most cogent note in the thread.

You *did* hear about it. You told everyone on the old FAIRboard that you'd been chatting with a friend of Quinn's "then-Stake President." You were privy to the wheels turning in motion to squash out Quinn's reputation. You yourself posted multiple times about how Quinn's history is "untrustworthy," and you went out of your way to paint him as a homosexual sinner.

Still preachin' that ol' time religion, eh Scratchie?

Incidentally, I noticed that you've completely skimmed over your role in this recent SHIELDS business.

And I'm intending to continue to skim it over.

Suffer!

[_JohnStuartMill]

Sorry, Scratch, but these threads are really, really silly.

[_Trevor]

Sorry, Scratch, but these threads are really, really silly.

On one level, most certainly, but, hey, I think it is interesting to learn about these tiffs.