Eligibility for Outer Darkness

[_The Nehor]

You're stretching, Nehor. The church is a church of order. God doesn't reveal himself to the rank and file, and not reveal himself to the leadership.

No, I'm not. For someone who despises the hierarchy of the Church you sure do overstate it. What do the keys mean? I have my doubts you even know. A leadership position in the Church means you have the privilege of receiving and declaring information to those within your stewardship. THAT'S IT as far as revelation goes. Being Bishop or Stake President does NOT mean that I get every revelation a member of my stake does or even that I get more revelation then anyone in my stake. It means only that I have the right to receive revelation and declare and/or use it in the running of the Stake.

You can disagree all you want; that doesn't change what is described.

By you, luckily I don't consider you a fount of wisdom about the things of God.

In order to be eligible for OD/hell, one must first know all truth, and then deny it.

Agreed.

No one but those set apart with the appropriate keys knows all truth.

They don't either. When God spoke to Moses he made it clear that there were some things he could not teach him and then let him stay in mortality.

Therefore, you're safe.

No, I'm safe now because I haven't had that level of information given to me YET. I don't have to be an Apostle to get it either.

I'm safe because only men are eligible.

No you're safe because it's unlikely you'll get that revelation because you're an apostate. God might give it anyways.

It's good to know that after being consigned to hell by Will, I am ineligible to go there. Poor Will. Wrong again.

Oh, you're quite eligible. It's just you'll only get a thousand year or so green card instead of permanent residence. If that's a comfort to you great. It's not for me.

[_harmony]

blah, blah, blah...

Oh, you're quite eligible. It's just you'll only get a thousand year or so green card instead of permanent residence. If that's a comfort to you great. It's not for me.

Hell is temporary? Now that is news!

[_Doctor Scratch]

Harmony, I think you're right here concerning revelation and the way it is, uh, "distributed," hierarchically-speaking. In fact, The Nehor himself seems to be pretty good evidence for what you've described. He has spoken on multiple occasions about speaking with "God"/"Gods," or whatever else, and so this therefore explains his near-pariah status on the aptly named MADboard. Granted, his personal "revelations" mostly just make him look like the dipstick that he is, so I'm sure that most of the apologists are willing to let it go with little more than a raised eyebrow. But, if these "revelations" of his were to ever have something to do with actual Church doctrine---i.e., say that it was "revealed" to The Nehor that Zarahemla was actually located near the Great Lakes region---you can bet that his butt would be kicked six ways from Sunday. It would be Rodney Meldrum redux. In any case, my point is that The Nehor's rather impudent and disobedient claims about his personal visions have branded him a problem member on the MADboard. It would not be too much to say that his hubristic remarks are the "small beginnings of apostasy."

[_harmony]

Harmony, I think you're right here concerning revelation and the way it is, uh, "distributed," hierarchically-speaking. In fact, The Nehor himself seems to be pretty good evidence for what you've described. He has spoken on multiple occasions about speaking with "God"/"Gods," or whatever else, and so this therefore explains his near-pariah status on the aptly named MADboard. Granted, his personal "revelations" mostly just make him look like the dipstick that he is, so I'm sure that most of the apologists are willing to let it go with little more than a raised eyebrow. But, if these "revelations" of his were to ever have something to do with actual Church doctrine---i.e., say that it was "revealed" to The Nehor that Zarahemla was actually located near the Great Lakes region---you can bet that his butt would be kicked six ways from Sunday. It would be Rodney Meldrum redux. In any case, my point is that The Nehor's rather impudent and disobedient claims about his personal visions have branded him a problem member on the MADboard. It would not be too much to say that his hubristic remarks are the "small beginnings of apostasy."

Well, at least he won't go to Outer Darkness and his Hell will be temporary.

[_silentkid]

I'm pretty convinced that Outer Darkness will be a really boring place. Therefore, the Book of Mormon will reside there due to its extreme levels of boringness. There will probably be some Jaredite glowing stones in Outer Darkness so there is enough light to read by.

[_harmony]

I'm pretty convinced that Outer Darkness will be a really boring place. Therefore, the Book of Mormon will reside there due to its extreme levels of boringness. There will probably be some Jaredite glowing stones in Outer Darkness so there is enough light to read by.

I think it's going to be very sparsely populated. So far, only a handful of applicants are eligible.

[_why me]

Harmony,

The reason for this thread is the assumption that you made about Joseph Smith being in outer darkness and nevo's comment to you. I think that you need to get over your hatred for Joseph Smith. He was basically a good guy who believed in the calling that he had. You need to get your act together about Joseph Smith. At this point, you are misdirected.

[_why me]

I think it's going to be very sparsely populated. So far, only a handful of applicants are eligible.

Which makes the Mormon faith rather kind and generous to those who are sinners. And that is a wonderful aspect of the LDS faith.

[_silentkid]

Which makes the Mormon faith rather kind and generous to those who are sinners. And that is a wonderful aspect of the LDS faith.

I think Jesus Christ said it best when he said to love the sin and hate the sinners.

[_harmony]

Harmony,

The reason for this thread is the assumption that you made about Joseph Smith being in outer darkness and nevo's comment to you. I think that you need to get over your hatred for Joseph Smith. He was basically a good guy who believed in the calling that he had. You need to get your act together about Joseph Smith. At this point, you are misdirected.

Actually, I think the only thing Joseph did wrong was believe in his own ego, instead of awaiting God's will. When he awaited God's will and was humble, he did wonderful things. When he was riding his ego though, things went to hell quickly. I'm sure you know exactly when his ego took over, and when he wasn't patient. He put words in God's mouth and God just doesn't take kindly to that sort of thing.

So no, I don't hate Joseph at all. I'd probably find him quite charming, if I met him at a Rotary meeting. I won't follow him to hell though. And all I feel now is a profound pity that someone could rise so high and fall so far.