Martha Beck vs. King Gidorah: The Series

[_solomarineris]

"Daniel Peterson"]
The tale of his accosting Martha (at the supermarket, or wherever it was), is almost certainly false. Of course, she doesn't give us his name, so (happily for her) there's no way of tracking him down.
In any event, "his" alleged claim is absolutely false.

Good thing you are not in charge of making up our minds here, Nibley's works are self evident, aren't they?
Giving this guy's name would be a professional suicide for him, wouldn't you say, you should acknowledge that fact
at least. If any professor, clerk, faculty member of BYU, Church employee disseminates this kinda information
they can kiss goodbye to their tenures at BYU, jobs, even a janitor couldn't be immune to his persecution.
Don't get me wrong I love Utah, I spend 90% of my free time there, I'm even buying a condo from Park City but if
I was professional there practicing, Law, Doctor, business owner, I'd keep my mouth shut, absolutely.
Martha had courage, the women did not sacrifice her family for nothing, most people don't strike their family for nothing.
She was hurt.
And PR department of church did great job of smearing, sensationalizing her pain.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

Beck doesn't seem to understand a number of aspects of the Church of which she was a member.

I thought Martha's descriptions of the LDS Church were on the mark, especially the temple ceremonies.

[_Daniel Peterson]

And PR department of church did great job of smearing, sensationalizing her pain.

Did the Church's Public Affairs Department ever say anything about her accusations?

Not that I ever heard.

I thought Martha's descriptions of the LDS Church were on the mark, especially the temple ceremonies.

Yeah. Priesthood permission required for women to change their hairstyles, active Danite units out there murdering people, formal shunning ceremonies during sacrament meetings, phone tapping coordinated out of local chapels . . . That's certainly the Church I know.

[_solomarineris]

DCP
Did the Church's Public Affairs Department ever say anything about her accusations?
Not that I ever heard.

Yea sure, if you don't count Maxwell Institute, kiss-ass media doing their dirty job ostracizing Martha.
Even I fell for it, refused to read her book until now.
I cannot say for sure the abuse occurred but the pain she went through is true. Another clue is why should she ditch all of her family for a filthy innuendo like this? Any sane person can see the emotional price is unbearably heavy.
She doesn't sound like an evil woman at all.

I thought Martha's descriptions of the LDS Church were on the mark, especially the temple ceremonies.

DCP
Yeah. Priesthood permission required for women to change their hairstyles, active Danite units out there murdering people, formal shunning ceremonies during sacrament meetings, phone tapping coordinated out of local chapels . . . That's certainly the Church I know

You are just mentioning the gossip section, which are easy to transpire. You intentionally overlooked what Rollo really meant;
Temple Ceremonies; Not a word, eh?
Don't worry, your secret is safe with us, I took my first endowment in 1976, nobody knows, what really transpired there.

[_Daniel Peterson]

DCP
Did the Church's Public Affairs Department ever say anything about her accusations?
Not that I ever heard.

Yea sure, if you don't count Maxwell Institute, kiss-ass media doing their dirty job ostracizing Martha.

Did the Church's Public Affairs Department ever say anything about her accusations?

Not that I ever heard.

Do you have any evidence?

[_William Schryver]

Beck doesn't seem to understand a number of aspects of the Church of which she was a member.

I thought Martha's descriptions of the LDS Church were on the mark, especially the temple ceremonies.

I'll bet you did!

Oh, my!

Scratchworld (along with its various satellites) is, without a doubt, the strangest place I've ever visited.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

I thought Martha's descriptions of the LDS Church were on the mark, especially the temple ceremonies.

Yeah. Priesthood permission required for women to change their hairstyles ....

This wouldn't surprise me at all in Utah. Let's face it, the LDS Church is extremely patriarchal. Example: it's official doctrine that the father "presides" in the home over the wife and children. Scary stuff.

... active Danite units out there murdering people ....

She was not that literal in her book.

... formal shunning ceremonies during sacrament meetings ....

She didn't write that, either.

... phone tapping coordinated out of local chapels . . . .

Other "dissidents" have thought the same thing as Martha. And, let's face it, Church security is full of former FBI and CIA guys.

That's certainly the Church I know.

The Church is different things to different members. Those on the fringe (like Martha) may see things very differently than TBM's (like yourself).

[_Rollo Tomasi]

I thought Martha's descriptions of the LDS Church were on the mark, especially the temple ceremonies.

I'll bet you did!

Oh, my!

Scratchworld (along with its various satellites) is, without a doubt, the strangest place I've ever visited.

My observation was based on my own temple experiences.

[_Daniel Peterson]

Priesthood permission required for women to change their hairstyles ....

This wouldn't surprise me at all in Utah.

You're quite gullible, it seems, when it suits your agenda to be so.

... active Danite units out there murdering people ....

She was not that literal in her book.

"Every now and then, Utah papers record murders with uniquely Mormon flavoring (death by temple-sanctioned methods, for example), and the word that goes out on the Latter-day grapevine is Danite" (p. 190). After learning that Martha intended to write this book, one ex-Mormon friend from Utah responds, "without a trace of levity," "'They'll kill you'" (p. 191).

... phone tapping coordinated out of local chapels . . . .

Other "dissidents" have thought the same thing as Martha. And, let's face it, Church security is full of former FBI and CIA guys.

Uh huh. And you're inclined to believe it. Well, Martha's book was written for folks like you. At least people who've never known much about the Church have an excuse for trusting her.

Anyway, for those who want to read her allegations of wiretapping and of voices interrupting her phone conversations with thinly-veiled death threats, see pp. 221 and 233-234 of her book. (Her ex-husband, by the way, just as much out of the Church as she is, denies these wiretapping stories.).

The Church is different things to different members. Those on the fringe (like Martha) may see things very differently than TBM's (like yourself).

While they have every right to hold their own personal opinions, they do not have the right to invent their own facts.

[_TAK]

Did the Church's Public Affairs Department ever say anything about her accusations?

Not that I ever heard.

Funny, I don't recall a mention - let alone praise, of the old Icon and his passing at the following Conference either.

Deafening !