Admitting gays would mean more tithing?

[_Paul Osborne]

Well, economics forced the 1978 priesthood revelation - so anything is possible.

You can buy anything in this world for money, including sex. Dollar signs are the biggest way to get off!

Paul O

[_Gazelam]

Phouchg,

Well, economics forced the 1978 priesthood revelation - so anything is possible.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Africans had been requesting baptism in the nations of Ghana and Nigeria for 30 years before they were finally allowed the priesthood. Every President of the Church, from George Albert Smith onward, answered these letters from Africa by going before the Lord and asking if they could present the Priesthood to the Negro race. The answer was that they were to wait.

Kimballs answer came with a request that he was to first remove any and all prejudice towards these people from his heart. That was the first answer change to come to any of the prophets. After he had changed his own heart, he was told to present this answer from the Lord to the Twelve, who all together in prayer received the revelation that the priesthood was to be restored.

Money was not the issue.

[_Phouchg]

Follow the money. Surely you know of the planned boycott of BYU athletics due to the racist policy. And that the IRS considered revoking TSCC's tax-exempt status. And that the revelation conveniently happened after those two events became known to the board of directors...errr...brethren.

But if you want to believe the racists in the upper room of the temple magically changed their views overnight, well you can stay in your theological fantasyland, m'kay?


fook

[_Phouchg]

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[_Paul Osborne]

Money was not the issue

Money is the bottom line. It is always the issue, especially with white collar men. Don't you know that?

I'm a bit surprised.

Paul O

[_Paul Osborne]

The answer was that they were to wait.

WHY?

Paul O

[_zzyzx]

One prophet says one thing, the next contradicts him. "eternal principals and teachings'' come with an unknown espiration date it appears.


August 17, 1949

The attitude of the Church with reference to Negroes remains as it has always stood. It is not a matter of the declaration of a policy but of direct commandment from the Lord, on which is founded the doctrine of the Church from the days of its organization, to the effect that Negroes may become members of the Church but that they are not entitled to the priesthood at the present time. The prophets of the Lord have made several statements as to the operation of the principle. President Brigham Young said: “Why are so many of the inhabitants of the earth cursed with a skin of blackness? It comes in consequence of their fathers rejecting the power of the holy priesthood, and the law of God. They will go down to death. And when all the rest of the children have received their blessings in the holy priesthood, then that curse will be removed from the seed of Cain, and they will then come up and possess the priesthood, and receive all the blessings which we now are entitled to.”

President Wilford Woodruff made the following statement: “The day will come when all that race will be redeemed and possess all the blessings which we now have.”

The position of the Church regarding the Negro may be understood when another doctrine of the Church is kept in mind, namely, that the conduct of spirits in the premortal existence has some determining effect upon the conditions and circumstances under which these spirits take on mortality and that while the details of this principle have not been made known, the mortality is a privilege that is given to those who maintain their first estate; and that the worth of the privilege is so great that spirits are willing to come to earth and take on bodies no matter what the handicap may be as to the kind of bodies they are to secure; and that among the handicaps, failure of the right to enjoy in mortality the blessings of the priesthood is a handicap which spirits are willing to assume in order that they might come to earth. Under this principle there is no injustice whatsoever involved in this deprivation as to the holding of the priesthood by the Negroes.

The First Presidency”

[_JohnStuartMill]

I'm willing to bet a large sum of money that the Church would lose more tithing money from disaffected bigots than it would gain from gays if it let them in.

The church will cave eventually. The pressure from society will make it happen, just like it did with the racism. Then the Brethren will claim to "see through a glass darkly" again.

Oh, I agree. I just don't think that the Church will liberalize on homosexuality because tithing reports are down. The much more likely scenario is that the Church will backtrack in 30 years or so, when missionary efforts will be dramatically impeded by the Church's conservatism, because being in a gay relationship is as acceptable as being in an interracial one. But I guess Mormons are still pussyfooting around the interracial issue too, aren't they?

[_The Nehor]

I find it odd that critics seem to believe in their prophecies about culture as much as LDS do their own prophecies.

[_JohnStuartMill]

I wouldn't call myself a prophet for predicting what I've anticipated, because I think that anyone with halfway decent inductive, inferential, and analogical powers can see the writing on the wall. Prophets ostensibly predict the unpredictable. I don't see myself as doing that.