Experiences with Heavenly Mother

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Re: Experiences with Heavenly Mother

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I served a mission under a man who had been a patriarch as well as a member of a temple presidency. He related the following story to us as part of a cycle of zone conferences that occurred right before mother's day (as I remember it with help from my mission journal):

"I'd given many patriarchal blessings over the years before I was called to be a mission president. While I received the promptings of the spirit in every case and could feel of the love that our Heavenly Father had for the person being blessed, sometimes those prompting came more easily than others. And sometimes the feelings that came were to exhort as much as to bless.

"But there are a handful of blessing I gave that stand as cherished memories and taught me things that could only be taught when the veil between us and our Heavenly home was thinned. With mother's day approaching, and as you prepare to call your mothers and affirm your love while sharing the love they have for you, I wish to share one experience that confirmed to me that there is another Mother who's love for us is as great or greater and who will shower us with that love when we return to Her.

"I had prepared for this particular blessing in the same way as I did every other. Fasting and praying that I'd be able to receive the special message that our Father had for this, one of His children. Sister <Mission President's Wife> was the recorder of the blessing and we met the young lady who was receiving her blessing with her mother and father at our home. As I began to give the blessing I was over-whelmed with a feeling of love that I could not express. As tears began to run down my face, I heard the words as audibly as you hear me now, and in a female voice, "Tell them to love her for me. Love her for me." I knew, without a doubt, that this young woman had a very special relationship with her Mother in Heaven. And in this one case, She chose to reach through the veil to make that love known."


This is the only time I have ever heard the sacred nature of our Mother in Heaven spoke of or taught in a formal church setting. But it still moves me to share it. I don't know that I did the original telling justice.
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Nightlion wrote:
consiglieri wrote:I am wondering why Heavenly Mother gets such short shrift in the Church, and whether others have experiences different from mine.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri


I think that guy, Christopher Namelka, has made it his passion to invent scripture about it.

Back in the day when Adam-god was accepted the Mother in Heaven was Eve. Mormons are nothing if not taking everything lightly and never getting to the bottom of things. Brigham Young tried to force the Adam-god doctrine to no avail. It just does not fly. So the notion that Our Father In Heaven has a wife is speculation without substantiation.

See if HF was the father of our spirit bodies then he has a wife. Truth is, he was not the father of our spirit bodies. Adam truly was. This does not make Adam our God as per thinking we are going to become just like him and have spirit children.

Exaltation is about having spirit children. It is not about becoming a Heavenly Father. There can only be one God from all eternity, without father, without mother, having neither beginning of days or end of years. See what I mean?

Women who inherit eternal lives will be mothers in heaven. But they are not the consorts of a divine being and do not become divinity themselves. They are seed bearers who obey the commandment of God to multiply and replenish as Eve did in creation scriptures and it was said that they finished all the hosts thereof.................before................they went into the Garden of Eden.

See? The only true God commands the exalted gods to continue the seeds both in the world and out of the world, meaning in the physical sense, after they fall in the Garden, and in the spiritual sense after they are, resurrected, (created and made in the likeness and image of God, with the same type of celestial glory) in a married state and given a world to populate with those spirits sent to them from an organization of intelligence where the Eternal God commanded the light of truth to bring forth independently organized intelligences by the word of his power and thus became the Eternal Father of all.

Questions?


Gosh, I'm so surprised your congregation has so few women in it. I would have thought the females would be beating down your door.... not.

What a pile of horse manure.
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harmony wrote:
Nightlion wrote:
Questions?


Gosh, I'm so surprised your congregation has so few women in it. I would have thought the females would be beating down your door.... not.

What a pile of horse manure.


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Re: Experiences with Heavenly Mother

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zeezrom wrote:
madeleine wrote:My experiences of a Heavenly Mother are with Mary, Mother of God.

"From the East to the West the All Holy is invoked as Heavenly Mother, who holds the Son of God in her arms and under whose protection the whole of humanity finds refuge, with the very ancient prayer, "We shelter under your protection, Holy Mother of God: despise not our petitions in our needs, but deliver us from every danger, O glorious and Blessed Virgin". "

Peace.

Awesome! I hope the Catholics never feel ashamed for devotion and worship of Mary.


Well many will correct you saying they are not ashamed of their devotion to and veneration of Mary, but they don't worship her.
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Worship of Mary of course has a definition. While it is correct to say we do not worship Mary, in the same way we worship God, the fact is, she is given a level of worship defined as hyperdulia. The most often cited example of affectionate worship, is found in 2 Samuel 9:6.

"Now when Mephibosheth, the son of Jonathan, the son of Saul, was come unto David, he fell on his face, and did reverence. And David said, Mephibosheth. And he answered, Behold thy servant! "

Modern people, by and large, have lost the level of meanings in worship. Catholics have retained what was once common.

Peace.
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Nightlion, one thing that just doesn't make sense to me is the Mormon interpretation of Genesis 1:28.

God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

This is a blessing, not a commandment.

To your musings on exaltation....there is but One God, and no other. We are not punky gods in training.

Peace.
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To the general idea of the thread, that of, a divine female. While Christians use the pronouns of He/Him, it is Catholic doctrine that God is without gender. God is God, not a human with super powers.

Jesus is God Incarnate. The Word made flesh, and is male in His humanity.

The Blessed Virgin Mary is not a divine being.

Peace.
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madeleine wrote:To the general idea of the thread, that of, a divine female. While Christians use the pronouns of He/Him, it is Catholic doctrine that God is without gender. God is God, not a human with super powers.

Jesus is God Incarnate. The Word made flesh, and is male in His humanity.

The Blessed Virgin Mary is not a divine being.

Peace.


I am unaware of any Protestants with a contrary doctrine, for what it's worth.
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madeleine wrote:Worship of Mary of course has a definition. While it is correct to say we do not worship Mary, in the same way we worship God, the fact is, she is given a level of worship defined as hyperdulia. The most often cited example of affectionate worship, is found in 2 Samuel 9:6.

"Now when Mephibosheth, the son of Jonathan, the son of Saul, was come unto David, he fell on his face, and did reverence. And David said, Mephibosheth. And he answered, Behold thy servant! "

Modern people, by and large, have lost the level of meanings in worship. Catholics have retained what was once common.

Peace.


While not knowing all the subtleties of catholic worship, this is one protestant that agrees. We could learn a lot from you. Our criticism of catholics worshipping Mary or Popes or Saints is unfounded, as far as I can tell. It takes work to understand it, but unfounded still.
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Re: Experiences with Heavenly Mother

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Ugaritic texts tell us the story of how El (a.k.a. Eloheim) impregnated the goddesses Asherah and Rahmay (heavenly Mothers):

Long is El's penis like Sea's.
El's penis is like that of Flood...
El bends his bowstave,
He draws his mighty shaft...
El seduces his wives,
Lo, the two women cry:
O husband! husband! streched is your bowstave,
Drawn is your mighty shaft...
The women are (now) El's wives...
The two travail and give birth...

Asherah gives birth to Shahar (the god of dawn) and Rahmay gives birth to Shalim (the god of Dusk).
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