No Homosexuals wanted

[_Buffalo]

Darin.... I know you don't want to hear it, but homosexuality is a "deviation", a perversion of the natural order, thus a sin.

There are many other kinds of sins people suffer from, "crosses" others bear, that are not homosexual based but based on other "temptations", temptations just as strong as homosexual desires, but they are "deviation" as well. I know what I'm talking about because I have a strong deviation, cross that I bear, which is contra to what I know to be right, moral, etc.

Just because you and yours have made homosexuality "normal", doesn't mean it's anymore normal or more importantly RIGHT than any other sin and temptation of the flesh. You don't want to hear it, but pedophiles FEEL exactly like you, as well as every other deviation you can think of. That "feeling" doesn't make right.

Yes, your cross is a difficult one, it is in your every fiber and being, I know what that's like, but for another sin, but that doesn't make it anymore right for you to both do but especially promote as right and normal. It is especially even more wrong for the gay agenda to force their deviation on both society and the Church. Your personal "choice" is one thing, but your direct and flagrant confrontations against Gods Kingdom will undue you and/or those who have such agendas even more.

I have no right to force my cross onto the world and the Church as "normal" and acceptable than you do..... You have been deceived.

Bigotry: it's what's for Mormon breakfast

[_Baker]

Darin.... I know you don't want to hear it, but homosexuality is a "deviation", a perversion of the natural order, thus a sin.

There are many other kinds of sins people suffer from, "crosses" others bear, that are not homosexual based but based on other "temptations", temptations just as strong as homosexual desires, but they are "deviation" as well. I know what I'm talking about because I have a strong deviation, cross that I bear, which is contra to what I know to be right, moral, etc.

Just because you and yours have made homosexuality "normal", doesn't mean it's anymore normal or more importantly RIGHT than any other sin and temptation of the flesh. You don't want to hear it, but pedophiles FEEL exactly like you, as well as every other deviation you can think of. That "feeling" doesn't make right.

Yes, your cross is a difficult one, it is in your every fiber and being, I know what that's like, but for another sin, but that doesn't make it anymore right for you to both do but especially promote as right and normal. It is especially even more wrong for the gay agenda to force their deviation on both society and the Church. Your personal "choice" is one thing, but your direct and flagrant confrontations against Gods Kingdom will undue you and/or those who have such agendas even more.

I have no right to force my cross onto the world and the Church as "normal" and acceptable than you do..... You have been deceived.

For the billionth time - pedophilia is not akin to homosexuality. Pedophilia involves a imbalance of power; it is abusive. Homosexuality is no different than heterosexuality in terms of mutual consent.

[_Joseph]

bwan wrote: "Darin.... I know you don't want to hear it, but homosexuality is a "deviation", a perversion of the natural order, thus a sin."
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Genetic modification of plants and animals is a "deviation", a perversion of the natural order also. Is it a sin? Are we sinning when we eat bread prepared from genetically modified wheat? Sinning when we eat meat from genetically modified cows?

A 'sin' is just something used by religious types to beat people over the head for doing something they don't personally like. It is a control mechanism, nothing more.

[_jon]

For the billionth time - pedophilia is not akin to homosexuality.

That is true, the Church doesn't allow homosexuals to run their scouting programme...

[_Joseph]

Baker wrote:

For the billionth time - pedophilia is not akin to homosexuality.


That is true, the Church doesn't allow homosexuals to run their scouting programme...
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A good observation, and true.

[_lostindc]

I did not know that Obiwan "suffered" from same gender attraction. That explains why he fights so hard against those feelings.

[_Buffalo]

I did not know that Obiwan "suffered" from same gender attraction. That explains why he fights so hard against those feelings.

So that's Obiwan, Droopy and Wade. It's seems like there are a lot of closeted gay men in the LDS church. The only thing more stressful than being a closeted atheist in the church is being a closeted homosexual. Talk about depression and self esteem blows, every time you go to church. I can't imagine how hard that must be. You guys have my sympathy.

[_stemelbow]

So that's Obiwan, Droopy and Wade. It's seems like there are a lot of closeted gay men in the LDS church. The only thing more stressful than being a closeted atheist in the church is being a closeted homosexual. Talk about depression and self esteem blows, every time you go to church. I can't imagine how hard that must be. You guys have my sympathy.

Being aware of some myself, I would say you are right, they do have a tough road to travel. I can't imagine it either. But to be clear I really don't think Obiwan, Droopy, and Wade fit that bill. If they did, I'd imagine they'd all be quite a bit more sympathetic in their posts, I'd wager.

[_Daniel2]

Darin.... I know you don't want to hear it, but homosexuality is a "deviation", a perversion of the natural order, thus a sin.

There are many other kinds of sins people suffer from, "crosses" others bear, that are not homosexual based but based on other "temptations", temptations just as strong as homosexual desires, but they are "deviation" as well. I know what I'm talking about because I have a strong deviation, cross that I bear, which is contra to what I know to be right, moral, etc.

Just because you and yours have made homosexuality "normal", doesn't mean it's anymore normal or more importantly RIGHT than any other sin and temptation of the flesh. You don't want to hear it, but pedophiles FEEL exactly like you, as well as every other deviation you can think of. That "feeling" doesn't make right.

Yes, your cross is a difficult one, it is in your every fiber and being, I know what that's like, but for another sin, but that doesn't make it anymore right for you to both do but especially promote as right and normal. It is especially even more wrong for the gay agenda to force their deviation on both society and the Church. Your personal "choice" is one thing, but your direct and flagrant confrontations against Gods Kingdom will undue you and/or those who have such agendas even more.

I have no right to force my cross onto the world and the Church as "normal" and acceptable than you do..... You have been deceived.

Hi, Obiwan,

I appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts with me, and I'm content to receive them in the positive spirit I imagine that motivated them. There's no need for you to project the idea that "[you] know [I] don't want to hear" your testimony against my acceptance and experession of my homosexuality onto me. The condemnation you share is nothing new to me, and are concepts that I myself spend countless hours reading and in therapy over the span of the first three decades of my life trying to fully understand--and eventually abandon, after much study, prayer, and discovery.

Your view and testimony obviously give you some semblance of fortitude (and possibly comfort) as you wrestle with whatever your own particular demons are that you've alluded to, and I support you in productively channeling that challenge according to what you feel is best for you.

Whether or not either of us have been deceived is certinaly highly possible, as I believe that all humans have a HIGH capacity for self-deception. In my particular case, I'm comfortable that I put in the necessary blood, sweat, and tears to arrive at what I am convinced is a position that is the most non-self-deceptive position I could hope for, with regards to understanding my own homosexual thoughts, feelings, nature, and inherent worth and worthiness. I do not seek to force anyone to my position, and fully support you in your views, even as they so radically differ from my own. I operate from that position while striving for a continual balance of self-assurance and compassion and respect for others.

Best to you,
Darin

[_just me]

This world would not be the same without homosexuals in it. Good grief, as individuals they have contributed SO MUCH to the human family. I say, Hell Yeah! We want homosexuals.