2 UTAH l-dsinc branch presidents deported

[Guest]

Neho, one of them(the whole family) was ordered out of the US a few YEARS ago.
From the article: "An immigration judge had ordered Callejas-Hernandez' wife, Luca Margarita Castillo de Callejas, 52, to leave the country in 2008 and the others in 2009"

Where are their higher ups in all this?
A missionary gets stuck in a US jail for a week - Branch Presidents get deported - people brought to the US to work on l-dsinc building projects as stained glass specialists get deported....

WHERE IS TUBBIETOMMY in all this? Why isn't the 'prophet, seer and revelator' out front taking care of his flock? Why isn't he personally going to bat for his lay ministry?

You know perfectly well these Branch Presidents were lying and evading capture while here. It is their fault as well as that of their inspired leaders.

[_jon]

Nehor,

Are they being deported simply because they crossed a border like most people do when they go on holiday or on business trips etc or because they crossed that border under false pretences and took up illegal residence?

What false pretense?

Are there any rabbits down here...?

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think when asked 'purpose of visit' they said 'we are coming here to live and work but we don't have permission nor do we have a Visa'.
Perhaps they did...

[_Joseph]

WHERE is tubbietommy while his lay ministry is getting caught and deported as criminals???

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7001 ... mplex.html

another groundbreaking ceremony

Maybe he can give a dedicatory prayer at a new Border Patrol station too?

[_Joseph]

How can a 'church' tell its members to support Hitler and his government and tell these wetbacks it is OK to ignore the law here?

Something and someone is seriously WRONG in l-dsorg leadership.

[_Buffalo]

The church is right on this one. It'd be pretty assholish of them to rat out members who are here illegally.

[_cafe crema]

So by that you assume that LDS should also enforce the law and discriminate based on legal status they have no way of confirming?

In other words you want the Church to operate as a branch of INS.

The church is right on this one. It'd be pretty assholish of them to rat out members who are here illegally.

I'm with Buffalo and The Nehor here, but maybe they should take it a bit further and give them sanctuary in their temples.:)

[_jon]

The church is right on this one. It'd be pretty assholish of them to rat out members who are here illegally.

Hmmm...I understand what you are saying, however, the law is the law. Would you expect the Church Leaders to keep quiet about known child abuse....oh....wait a minute...

I'm afraid the law of the land is the law of the land. Break it and you have only yourself to blame if you are punished as a result. The Church doesn't get to decide which laws are okay for Mormons and which ones aren't.

[_Buffalo]

The church is right on this one. It'd be pretty assholish of them to rat out members who are here illegally.

Hmmm...I understand what you are saying, however, the law is the law. Would you expect the Church Leaders to keep quiet about known child abuse....oh....wait a minute...

I'm afraid the law of the land is the law of the land. Break it and you have only yourself to blame if you are punished as a result. The Church doesn't get to decide which laws are okay for Mormons and which ones aren't.

As far as I know, being here illegally is only a misdemeanor. I'd expect them to report child abuse, or any other felony. Some misdemeanors are more serious (assault) but many are are not (loitering). Any violation that doesn't involve a felony or someone hurting someone else doesn't really merit a ratting out from the church, in my opinion.

Of course, you could make the argument that the church isn't ratting out illegals because they're one of the biggest sources of new converts (and continued revenue stream). But that would be cynical.

[_SeattleGhostWriter]

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=15972981

Where is l-dsinc leadership in all this?

Will l-dsince refund their tithing since they were criminals and liars?

What is wrong with tubbietommie that this crap happens and he does not stand up as a leader and get involved personally to make things right?

"Families can be together forever"... if they follow dad to Guatamala or El Salvador?

My wife and I were actually talking a bit about this last night. Her thoughts and questions - how did they continue in their calling as a branch president when they knew they were lying?

We talked about the one who had been told for three years (according to the news source) that he needed to leave. Why did he not leave as requested?

My thought to my wife was - maybe they were attempting to renew their visas and become naturalized citizens and it takes time. Their visas ran out.

We may never really know the intimate details. However, if they were here illegally, yes, they violated the law. Not the Church. They should have had the integrity to refuse the calling given because they knowingly were in this country illegally.

However, as previously stated, we don't know all the details as to how, why, and what not. All we have is what we are able to decipher.

Is it a tragedy that this is affecting their families? One family, as I understand the news source, are in a position where they can find jobs in their country.

No matter what, we all are responsible for our decisions and the consequences that follow those decisions.

Another thought, even if these two men were here illegally, and the only crime they committed were being here illegally, why go after them like this when there are many other illegal aliens that are in our own country who are committing crimes, smuggling drugs, human trafficking, and stealing? Why not force them out of our country?

In fact, here in washington, we had one mexican that kept finding his way here (I will have to do research on finding the information again) where he had been deported half a dozen times, yet came back and raped a woman and merely was arrested and placed in jail.

The immigration is a very sticky and tough position and we just simply do not have all the information.

[_Joseph]

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