liz3564 wrote:I would also like to nominate Blixa for Mod. :-)
Please do not nominate anyone for the position of moderator. I insist that the idea to become a moderator MUST originate with the volunteer him or herself.
I think that the MDD thread being unpinned may be a "good faith" effort for building the bridge between MDB and MDD. I'll allow Shades to answer that one for himself.
ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! I have
no interest whatsoever in "building bridges" with ANY other message board ANYWHERE. We/I "cater" to nobody but our own members. Literally, no one else counts.
People here (at least, those who spoke up about it) seemed to think that it was a net-negative, not a net-positive. But to give you a peek at the man behind the curtain, I personally liked having it stickied.
why me wrote:I would also recommend that personal attacks have no place in the telestial forum. One can cuss up a storm, no problem but when one begins to personally attack another individual, especially an individual who uses their own name to post, the forum becomes less human centered.
I'm afraid I must draw the line somewhere. Free speech MUST rule the day, even when it comes to personal attacks.
In other words, the Telestial Forum will remain as-is.
gramps wrote:My complaint is only with the decision to unpinn the MDD quotes thread from the top. I do not see that thread as a 'personal attack,' like some others perhaps do. Letting it float freely doesn't change anything in my estimation, since it would be possible under the new rules to keep it at the top anyway, simply by adding a new quote everyday. So, then why change the system? (The personal attack argument loses its validity taking this into account.) It wasn't broken in this regard.
You make a good point.
I think the believers from that board are quietly chuckling to see just how easy it is to get their way here. I also see no reciprocity in good faith from that board. I guess if MDD were to allow everyone back on that board that they kicked off without even mentioning why, I might be persuaded by the 'good faith' argument. Until then, they are just chuckling behind your backs.
Hopefully I made the point clear when I responded to Liz, but believe it or not I made my decisions only because of the thread wherein I solicited opinions about whether or not I was responsible for the culture here. Had everyone said that things are A-O.K. just the way they are, then I wouldn't've changed a thing, MD&D board or no MD&D board.
What's next, Shades?
Don't worry, there's a certain line over which I absolutely will not cross.
As luck would have it, we've had this whole "personal attacks in the Terrestrial Form" debate before. It's an ongoing issue, and for all I know it'll continue to be an ongoing issue.
why me wrote:To allow that thread to be permanently placed at the top encourages a board war between this forum and MDD.
Ain't nothin' wrong with that, just so long as it doesn't get personal (with real-life information, real-life pictures, etc.).
And this kind of war should be over sooner than later. This is why it was unstuck most likely.
Nope, that's not why it was unstuck.
There needs to be peace between the two boards.
Why? That's a serious question.
sock puppet wrote:Zeez, why do you spend more time in Terrestrial than Celestial? The same reason that others do too. It's more interesting. Denuding the Terrestrial into a second Celestial is not the answer.
Your point is 100% valid, of course. But let's look at it another way: Would we be better served by turning the Terrestrial Forum into a second
Telestial Forum?
It is board nannying, short and simple. Those people that want to change Terrestrial don't want those that like it the way it is to have such a place. That's jealousy and it's meddling.
There was a day that Shades was a libertarian...
Believe it or not, I liked things better the way they were, too.
But at the end of the day, what good is a libertarian utopia if nobody wants to live there?
I've been teetering for months as the forum has been sliding into nanny hands anyway. This may be the tipping point. (why me, stem, and others can rejoice.) I may choose to confine myself and start all new threads in Telestial--but the ninnies and their 'do-gooding' to stop discussion there would likely follow.
Like I said, there's a certain line over which I absolutely will not cross. The Telestial Forum will stay exactly the way it is, just like the Celestial Forum will stay exactly the way
it is. You have no worries on that account.
So it might be time to find another board altogether.
Who knows; if you're right about all of this, maybe the Telestial Forum will become more popular than the Terrestrial Forum. That would be fine by me; they all have their place.
Either way, though, I truly hope you'll stick around and give things a try before writing us off altogether.
zeezrom wrote:I guess I came to a realization. I don't like it when people are attacked online and I also don't like having all the moderation. What does that mean? An impossible scenario.
The balance between personal attacks and amount of moderation is a zero-sum game. If you add up the two totals, it always equals 100, no more and no less. In other words, if the personal attacks are at 1 or 2, then the moderation is at 99 or 98. On the other hand, if the personal attacks are at, say, 85 or 86, then the moderation is at 15 or 14, respectively.
Ain't nothin' to do but get used to it.
Anyhow, I'm nothing if not gregarious. I think I'll start a poll wherein I ask people whether the "MA&Dhouse quote page" thread should be re-stickied or not.
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"
--Louis Midgley