Critical analysis of the stone box

[_Joseph]

PP, now don't be messin' with Joe's story. It's his and he is sticking to it.

Dr. Dude, this was Holy Syncrete. It only fell apart after the anointed one removed the contents. It was protected through the centuries by a big mean Lamanite and his pet white Salamander.

[_Polygamy-Porter]

PP, now don't be messin' with Joe's story. It's his and he is sticking to it.

Dr. Dude, this was Holy Syncrete. It only fell apart after the anointed one removed the contents. It was protected through the centuries by a big mean Lamanite and his pet white Salamander.

I just cannot believe Dr. Peterson's posse has not pontificated on this point.

[_Simon Belmont]

Ban Joseph.

+100000

[_Polygamy-Porter]

Ban Joseph.

+100000

You have no defense for the stone box?

[_LDS truthseeker]

Read the exciting account of the stone box Martin Harris discovered.

One morning in July I thought I would go to see Brother Harris. He lived about three blocks from my home and I had heard that he was not well. People were coming from far and near to see him and hear his testimony.

When I arrived I found two other men present -- Brother James Joseph Keep and Brother John Godfrey. Brother Harris lay in bed resting on his elbow. “How are you Brother Harris?” I asked. “Oh, pretty well” he replied.

“We came to hear your testimony of the Book of Mormon,” I said. He raised up and said, “Yes, I wish I could make the whole world hear my Testimony.” He stretched out his arm and said, “Brothers I believe there is an angel here to hear what I am going to say to you and you will never forget what I say.”

“The Prophet Joseph Smith, Oliver Cowdery, David Whitmer and myself went into a small grove to pray to obtain a promise that we should behold with our own eyes that we could testify to the whole world. At length the angel stood before Oliver and David with the plates in his hand. I had gone a little apart to pray, and in my desperation I asked the prophet to kneel and pray with me. He did so and immediately the angel stood before me and said, “LOOK.” When I glanced at him I fell to the ground but immediately got up and saw the angel turn the leaves of the golden plates over and I said, “IT IS ENOUGH MY LORD AND MY GOD.” I then heard the voice of God say, “THE Book of Mormon IS TRUE AND TRANSLATED CORRECTLY.”

Brother Harris then turned over as if he had no more to say and we made ready to leave. He spoke again and said, “I will tell you of the most wonderful thing that happened, after Joseph received the plates. Three of us, myself and two more, took some tools and went to the hill to dig for more plates of gold or something and indeed we found a stone box. We got quite excited and dug around it very carefully and just when we were ready to lift it up out of the hole, some unseen power slid it back into the hill. We stood and looked at it and one of us tried to drive a crowbar through the lid to hold it, but the crowbar glanced off and the corner of the lid was chipped off.

Sometime that box will be found and you will find one corner of the lid broken and you will know that I have spoken the truth. Brother’s just as sure as you are standing here and see me, just so sure did we see the Angel with the golden plates in his hand. He showed them to me and I promised I would bear witness of this truth both here and hereafter.”

His lips really trembled and tears came to my eyes. I should have liked to ask more, but did not do so. I refreshed myself, shook hands, thanked him and left.

When I think of the day I stood before Martin Harris and saw him stretch forth his hand, raise his voice and bear his testimony, the feeling that thrilled my whole being, I can never forget or express the joy that filled my whole being

Signed as Witnesses:
Clarkston Utah Ole A. Jensen
July 1875 JAMES JOSEPH KEEP
John Godfrey

http://mormonthink.com/witnessesweb.htm#stonebox

Now if that doesn't strengthen your testimony in Martin Harris and stone boxes, nothing will!

[_Polygamy-Porter]

Typical.

Nothing but the sound of crickets coming from the defender's camp.

[_GR33N]

I take that back. 12 inches is too small. A free standing box like that would need to be at least 18-24 inches thick

Thank you Z.

So then, which defender would like to please 'splain how these large slabs of concrete like material simply break apart and "wash down the hill"?

Oh and I never read where Joseph found this in a small creek bed in the first place so where did all of this water come from in the form of a torrent to not only dislodge these slabs of concrete from the earth but to break the structure apart?

Can you provide a link for the source of the "wash down the hill" explanation?

[_LDS truthseeker]

Can you provide a link for the source of the "wash down the hill" explanation?

Best I could find:

The Chicago Times Interviews David Whitmer August 1875 S.L. Herald, 12 Aug 1875 in Ebbie Richardson, "David Whitmer," pp.158

David Whitmer was married in Seneca County, New York, in 1830, and was for a number of years an elder in the Church of Christ. Today he is the proprietor of a livery stable in Richmond, Missouri, owns some real estate, has a handsome balance in the bank, is universally respected by all who know him, and surrounded by children and grandchildren, is pleasantly gliding toward the gates of sunset, confident that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob was also the God of Nephi, whose faithful disciple he has been and is. He does not believe that all believing in the Book of Mormon or all adherents to any other faith will be found among the elect, but that the truly good of every faith will be gathered in fulfillment of prophecy. Neither does he believe that the Book of Mormon is the only record of the lost tribes hidden in the earth, but on the contrary, that the caves hold other records that will not come forth till all is peace and the lion shall eat straw with the lamb. Three times he has been at the Hill Cumorah and seen the casket that contained the tablets and seerstone. Eventually the casket has been washed down to the foot of the hill, but it was to be seen when he last visited the historic place.

[_jskains]

God made the box.

JMS

[_Tarski]

God made the box.

JMS

Why do you say this? Is it only because you need to import some magic to make it all work?
I guess invoking a miracle can fix any problem with any religion eh?

Perhaps God used spacetime warping technology to make a cubic foot box that could hold Yankee stadium. Let's throw in a cloaking device while we are at it.