I thought of leaving the church until I read....

[_Themis]

Here is what I am saying: the behavior of exmos and postmos who post on internet boards leaves much to be desired.

You mean some, just as some so called apologist behave just as bad or worse around here, but I notice you didn't bring that up.

Why would anyone want to be the way they are?

It's just the way some people are, which is why we see the behavior from some on both sides. You see more former believers behave this way here in greater numbers simply because apologists are in smaller numbers. You might try and see just how bad former and especially questioning members get treated over at their site.

When I was treated crappy and judged wrongly, I decided to search more on the internet and I found FAIR and their discussion board. I liked it. True, the postmos predicted that I would be banned the first week but they were wrong.

Most are more then a little sceptical of this since it was in response LDSToronto saying that about apologists, not to mention many other things you say that are just not realistic.

Exmos and postmos who post on the internet are by and large extremely judgemental when I inform them of my inactivity in the LDS church.

Again a small number.

In fact, they hate that I am inactive and defend the LDS church. And I can assure you that many of these critics would have found me wanting as a member if they were in my ward. The apple does not fall far from the tree.

The funny thing is that if you go to the apologetic site many there hate people who are critics, and seem even to hate the questioners even more.

Fortunately I know many Mormons who were/are not like them as members. They are kind, understanding and considerate of my inactivity and attendance in the catholic church. No problem

Many are just like them, but since you defend the church they are nice to you, just as some here will be mean for the same reason. It's really not that hard to figure out.

[_Ceeboo]

Hey again why me,

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

Here is what I am saying: the behavior of exmos and postmos who post on internet boards leaves much to be desired.

I would suggest that you could easily add devout-Mo's, never-Mo's, why-me's, and all people who own a keyboard to your list.

Exmos and postmos who post on the internet are by and large extremely judgemental

How would you describe your postings? Do you believe they are "extremely judgemental"? (These are serious questions)

Fortunately I know many Mormons who were not like them as members. They are kind, understanding and considerate of my inactivity and attendance in the catholic church. No problem

With great respect intended (probably will fail, sorry), I would suggest that there is no possible way (without exception) to be both LDS and Catholic at the very same time.

For anyone who has implied/encouraged/suggested to you that there is "no problem" with this, I must tell you (as a Catholic) that there certainly is a problem. (Sorry)

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_jon]

In an attempt to try and understand where Why Me is coming from:

1. How was the Catholic Church described within Mormonism?
2. What was the Prophet Joseph told, by Christ, concerning the joining of other Church's?

As I understand it, if you are attending the Catholic Church and not attending the Mormon one, then you are in apostasy.

Why Me, were you offended?

[_Some Schmo]

The funny/ironic thing about why me is that in his attempt to defend the church, he ends up doing more work for the critics than real critics ever could.

So, don't worry, why me; I'll always treat you poorly so you can keep justifying being a defender. That way, my critic's workload is cut way down.

[_Jason Bourne]

This is a good point zee and you take on the persona of many critics when you ask this question. Here is my experience: those who usually leave the LDS church over some historical fact etc were usually the most fanatical TBMs that one could imagine. I know perfectly well what the taliban TBMs who have left the church and who now post on this board, NOM or the exmo site think of me as a Mormon.

And they would have felt the same way as a fanatical TBM. The apple does not fall far from the tree.

No most were not fanatical TBMs they were just practicing active TBMs trying to do what their leaders said and believing it. See Why Me it is like Runtu said on another thread. You accuse so many of living their religion to well or taking it to seriously yet apparently you have not done so. You have a lot of hubris really and that is why you get so much wrath from so many here.

[_Jason Bourne]

There is one thing I do agree with on what Why Me says. Personally I have taken my own journey carefully. I do not want to be a bitter angry ex Mormon. That is why the NOM life works for me now. I have seen what some become when they leave in anger and bitterness. I am not pointing fingers and I can understand why some leave and are angry for a long time. That path just has not been for me.

On the other hand the path of the Uber Monolithic Mormon apologist that cannot even bear a suggestion that the Church might be able to improve by say allowing couples a choice to marry civilly without waiting a year to go to the temple is a big turn off for me as well. I cannot be that anymore though I am sure at times I may have been (thought I have always thought the year wait for worthy couples who made a choice to do something to include non LDS families was over the top in the control factor).

So for now I stay a vile hypocrite according to a particular poster who loves to crow this one note wonder all day long here.

[_zeezrom]

Who really knows what this guy is trying to pull?

[_Buffalo]

This is a good point zee and you take on the persona of many critics when you ask this question. Here is my experience: those who usually leave the LDS church over some historical fact etc were usually the most fanatical TBMs that one could imagine. I know perfectly well what the taliban TBMs who have left the church and who now post on this board, NOM or the exmo site think of me as a Mormon.

And they would have felt the same way as a fanatical TBM. The apple does not fall far from the tree.

No most were not fanatical TBMs they were just practicing active TBMs trying to do what their leaders said and believing it. See Why Me it is like Runtu said on another thread. You accuse so many of living their religion to well or taking it to seriously yet apparently you have not done so. You have a lot of hubris really and that is why you get so much wrath from so many here.

From Why Me's perspective, practicing Mormonism is a fanatical thing to do.

[_Some Schmo]

There is one thing I do agree with on what Why Me says. Personally I have taken my own journey carefully. I do not want to be a bitter angry ex Mormon. That is why the NOM life works for me now. I have seen what some become when they leave in anger and bitterness. I am not pointing fingers and I can understand why some leave and are angry for a long time. That path just has not been for me.

Two things:

1) The anger/disposition of a particular group does not in any way influence the truth value of whatever positions they hold.

2) Not everyone who decides to leave the church become angry/bitter. For one thing, I highly doubt that everyone who appears angry/bitter on message boards actually are. It's one thing to vent; it's something else to be habitually angry. My sense is that bitter exmos were once chronically angry mos, too.

Shouldn't a person's membership of a particular group be about what they think is actually true, not because they like/dislike the group? For example, I'm fiscally conservative. Should I stop being so because I think so many Republicans are total nut-jobs?

[_MsJack]

A few years ago I thought of leaving the church.

[SNIP]

Thank you ldstoronto for getting me to think why I remain a Mormon.

why me, are you a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

If so, do you:

- Attend meetings at your local ward most Sundays?
- Pay tithing?
- Hold any callings in the church, including home teaching?
- Have a temple recommend?
- Attend the temple at all?

I'm confused, because I thought you had said in the past that you were no longer a member of the LDS church and are attending a Catholic church on Sundays instead of an LDS ward. Thanks in advance.