Mormon sexual abuse

[_stemelbow]

To let anyone near a child who has been previously convicted is a big mistake.

the problem with the discernment thing is, it might not be an inerrant thing, if it is even real. Perhaps in some cases a humble, prayerful man of God can tell if someone is a sheeps in wolf's clothing, but perhaps at other times, that same man can't tell the same about another individual. That's just how human experience works, if you ask me.

[_Buffalo]

To let anyone near a child who has been previously convicted is a big mistake.

the problem with the discernment thing is, it might not be an inerrant thing, if it is even real. Perhaps in some cases a humble, prayerful man of God can tell if someone is a sheeps in wolf's clothing, but perhaps at other times, that same man can't tell the same about another individual. That's just how human experience works, if you ask me.

Sounds a lot like guessing. Maybe based on looking at people's faces and trying to judge their characters.

[_cinepro]

Currently, I see a significant lack of discernment by, supposedly, inspired church leaders.

It would be awesome if God would inspire the leaders of the Church to not call people with pedophilic tendencies to callings that have them deal with the youth.

But, sadly, that's not how God leads His Church.

[_Suasponte]

Presently there are 37 active sexual abuse lawsuits pending in federal and state courts against sexual preditors, the Mormon church, and/or the Boy Scouts. Since the Boy Scouts and the Mormon Church are basically one-in-the-same, due to the incorporation of the Aaronic Priesthood with troop positions, most of the allegations of sexual abuse against male troop leaders are almost instantly conveyed to the Mormon Church.

There is no doubt in my mind that the Brethren want to interdict, and assess, any allegations of sexual abuse levied at Melchizadek Priesthood holders, especially scoutmasters, in order to keep them away from the media. The Church protects its own and regularly covers-up the truth to avoid bad publicity. I was told by a very reliable source in 1999 that the late S. Dilworth Young was sexually abusive to several young girls who met with him in his office in the old Church Administration Building in Salt Lake, but that nothing was ever done to discipline him. That high priest scoutmaster who sexually abused all those boys in Portland, Oregon, that cost the Church over 20 million dollars in settlement damages, was protected for years by the stake he was in. The Brethren in Salt Lake even knew what was happening. Bishops and stake presidents are especially protected by the Brethren. If a bishop or stake president, or counselors, are accused as sex preditors, the Church does all it can to keep the victims from contacting law enforcement.

[_Fence Sitter]

Presently there are 37 active sexual abuse lawsuits pending in federal and state courts against sexual preditors, the Mormon church, and/or the Boy Scouts. Since the Boy Scouts and the Mormon Church are basically one-in-the-same, due to the incorporation of the Aaronic Priesthood with troop positions, most of the allegations of sexual abuse against male troop leaders are almost instantly conveyed to the Mormon Church.

There is no doubt in my mind that the Brethren want to interdict, and assess, any allegations of sexual abuse levied at Melchizadek Priesthood holders, especially scoutmasters, in order to keep them away from the media. The Church protects its own and regularly covers-up the truth to avoid bad publicity. I was told by a very reliable source in 1999 that the late S. Dilworth Young was sexually abusive to several young girls who met with him in his office in the old Church Administration Building in Salt Lake, but that nothing was ever done to discipline him. That high priest scoutmaster who sexually abused all those boys in Portland, Oregon, that cost the Church over 20 million dollars in settlement damages, was protected for years by the stake he was in. The Brethren in Salt Lake even knew what was happening. Bishops and stake presidents are especially protected by the Brethren. If a bishop or stake president, or counselors, are accused as sex preditors, the Church does all it can to keep the victims from contacting law enforcement.

Why does God allow this to happen?

[_Suasponte]

If the Mormon Church is God's church, why wouldn't he inspire those he has supposedly called as Priesthood leaders to know if a man called to a Priesthood office is a pedophile, or if a woman called to a Primary position is a pedophile? If you believe the New Testament, there are many examples of Peter, James, John, and Paul receiving inspiration about so-called Christians who intended to do harm to faithful members of the Church. I don't think you catch the drift of my assertion. You see, the Mormon Church holds itself out as the only church on the earth with God's full approval and authority, with the same powers and authority held by Peter, James, and John during the 1st Century. It's okay to admit that it is a false church if the fruit that it bears is not of God. A Mormon bishop has just as much power to discern the intentions of other men and women as the chairman of a local Rotary Club.

[_jon]

If the Mormon Church is God's church, why wouldn't he inspire those he has supposedly called as Priesthood leaders to know if a man called to a Priesthood office is a pedophile, or if a woman called to a Primary position is a pedophile? If you believe the New Testament, there are many examples of Peter, James, John, and Paul receiving inspiration about so-called Christians who intended to do harm to faithful members of the Church. I don't think you catch the drift of my assertion. You see, the Mormon Church holds itself out as the only church on the earth with God's full approval and authority, with the same powers and authority held by Peter, James, and John during the 1st Century. It's okay to admit that it is a false church if the fruit that it bears is not of God. A Mormon bishop has just as much power to discern the intentions of other men and women as the chairman of a local Rotary Club.

Sadly the Mormon Church over promises and under delivers.
Always.

People get hurt as a result.
Always.

[_stemelbow]

Sounds a lot like guessing. Maybe based on looking at people's faces and trying to judge their characters.

rest assured I wouldn't think it was just LDS fellas who can discern such things about others, albeit imperfectly. Perhaps only some LDS fellas can do it, perhaps many LDS ladies can, perhaps Buffalo can too. I wouldn't doubt that there is great subjectivity to it all though.

[_stemelbow]

Sadly the Mormon Church over promises and under delivers.
Always.

People get hurt as a result.
Always.

oopss...overstatement alert. People get hurt always? Come on, Jon, you can't maintain that can you?

If you meant it differently please note I often overstate things too.

[_Buffalo]

Sounds a lot like guessing. Maybe based on looking at people's faces and trying to judge their characters.

rest assured I wouldn't think it was just LDS fellas who can discern such things about others, albeit imperfectly. Perhaps only some LDS fellas can do it, perhaps many LDS ladies can, perhaps Buffalo can too. I wouldn't doubt that there is great subjectivity to it all though.

My patriarchal blessing says I have the gift of discernment. What I would do is what I described above - I'd mostly look at people's eyes and try to discern things about them.