Are there limits to marital intimacy in Mormonism?

[_LDSToronto]

Is porn out? What about watching with your spouse? For that matter, is masturbation out, if done in the presence of a partner for their satisfaction?

Let's push it even further - what about toys? A third partner? A sex club?

If we assume consent between spouses, what, really, are the limits?

H.

All I know is that married men are sometimes asked if they view porn or masturbate as part of the temple recommend interview. If they answer "yes" what do we suppose the consequence would be? I would imagine that the vast majority of TBM's believe that porn itself is evil regardless of if it is viewed solo or partnered. Hell, we aren't even supposed to view rated R movies.

When I said "solo" M I meant that to be interpreted as alone time.

That type of questioning is out of place in the recommend interview - interviewers are supposed to stick with the script, and those questions aren't in the interview.

I've never quite figured out why a married adult shouldn't watch what they want to watch, especially if both spouses are interested. That goes for R-rated movies as well.

As for alone time, I think many LDS members could benefit from some alone time. My suspicion, and it's not based on any evidence whatsoever, is that there are more members out there that live a secret sexual life that they are ashamed of, but that would be considered fairly normal by most standards.

H.

[_3sheets2thewind]

I believe the CHI states that Priesthood leaders are not to ask nor council on the sexual practices of a married couple.

In consideration of the "letter" which was recanted, the letter of recantation stated that Priesthood leaders are not to ask or council about bedroom stuff.

as for "taboo" I agree that things are taboo just because they are taboo. It is my opinion that due to the "you body is bad and you are evil for thinking about sex" being taught to youth, creates sexually dysfunctional people.

[_just me]

That type of questioning is out of place in the recommend interview - interviewers are supposed to stick with the script, and those questions aren't in the interview.

Yet, these questions *are* asked of married men during interviews. Add that to all the billions of lessons, talks and articles that revolve around this "issue" and I think most TBM's are going to conclude it is against the religion and offensive to god/spirit.

I've never quite figured out why a married adult shouldn't watch what they want to watch, especially if both spouses are interested. That goes for R-rated movies as well.

Because the poor, sweet Spirit is offended by R movies. If a member wants to maintain the Spirit they can't be watching R's or porn. Besides, the prophet said so. That is good enough for many a Mormon. Obviously, I was one of a minority (?) who actually never viewed R movies, but I am sure that porn is only watched with great guilt. Then again, those who view it with pride aren't talking about it....if they exist.

Obviously, I agree that adults should watch whatever they want and consenting partners should do view and do whatever they want. I just know that isn't the view of the church.

As for alone time, I think many LDS members could benefit from some alone time. My suspicion, and it's not based on any evidence whatsoever, is that there are more members out there that live a secret sexual life that they are ashamed of, but that would be considered fairly normal by most standards.

H.

Hell yes. I agree.

[_Tarski]

The oral sex ban in the early 80s was a misinterpretation of the WoW's counsel to eat meat sparingly.

rotflmao

[_Quasimodo]

Oral sex is permitted ONLY if actual food is involved (Green Jello and whipped cream are recommended).

Live chickens and other barn yard fowl in the bed are discouraged. Only primates should be considered for sexual diversity.

Any sexual act that results in blood loss is forbidden.

Anal sex is discouraged, but may be allowed if the participants are wearing garments (scissors may be required).

Sexual "toys" are forbidden unless purchased from an authorized LDS dealer. In this case, vibrating implements will be allowed (with Bishop's approval), but rotating attachments to power drills, etc. are discouraged.

[_MsJack]

As for alone time, I think many LDS members could benefit from some alone time. My suspicion, and it's not based on any evidence whatsoever, is that there are more members out there that live a secret sexual life that they are ashamed of, but that would be considered fairly normal by most standards.

I have a story about this.

I'm the owner of a "fun box," and I'm not ashamed of that. Some MDB participants may recall that last year, in June, a windstorm destroyed the roof of my apartment building, forcing us to move immediately. The next day, we had ward members at our apartment, hurriedly boxing up our stuff. The 2nd counselor in the bishopric and my husband wound up boxing up most of my bedroom.

After the apartment was boxed up and we were done with the emergency move, a horrible realization washed over me. "Paul," I said to my husband, "The . . . you know, the fun box. Did you get it packed up before L saw it?" In an ordinary move, I'd have safely boxed it up before any movers could see it, but with the emergency packing, it had been the last thing on my mind.

Oh sure, my husband said, nothing to worry about. He totally boxed that sucker up before the 2nd counselor could see it. Satisfied, I put the matter out of my mind.

Fast forward to a few months ago. I'm at the 2nd counselor's house, chatting with his wife (who's a good friend of mine) and somehow the subject of sex toys came up. I mentioned what had happened with the "fun box" the year prior and how I'd been terrified that her husband might have seen it.

And then she said, "Yeah . . . um . . . actually, he did see it."

I blinked for a second, realizing that the only way she could know this was that L had mentioned it to her when it happened. And then I said, "Oh. Well. I hope it gave you guys some ideas."

Anyways, the 2nd counselor and his wife seemed to think the contents of our "fun box" were completely normal. As to what was in the "fun box," I'll only say that we don't own any porn.

[_The Nehor]

If you need an itemized list of sex acts you can and can't do then you're doing sex wrong.

[_Yoda]

If you need an itemized list of sex acts you can and can't do then you're doing sex wrong.

QFT

[_Sethbag]

If you need an itemized list of sex acts you can and can't do then you're doing sex wrong.

Stated from an abundance of personal experience?

[_just me]

If you need an itemized list of sex acts you can and can't do then you're doing sex wrong.

QFT

Thank the gods that got siggy'd.