jon wrote:Would you say that a belief in the heavenly requirement of four secret/sacred handshakes, passwords and a new name that even your wife can't be told - is normal or abnormal?
It's an abnormal belief but that is a facet of who I am. It does not make me abnormal as a person or Church members abnormal as a people.
If so my combination of hobbies, interests, beliefs, and philosophy make me uniquely abnormal to the point of absolute uniqueness. Of course everyone else is equally abnormal and there is no point in trying to talk about "normal folk" in any case.
I realize you're just using the label for rhetorical purposes of course and your objective is merely to taint LDS. I am under no delusions that you are trying to say anything intelligent.
I think it's interesting that you seperate the belief from the person in that 'normal person' having an 'abnormal' belief sentence. I haven't heard it put that way before.
I want to ask if the reverse could be true? Could you have an 'abnormal person' with 'normal' beliefs?
But I fear we would be derailing the thread about Romney being linked with a racist Church and whether Obama would use that in a Presidential campaign or not.
So I will perhaps start a seperate thread about the abnormality of normality.
'Church pictures are not always accurate' (The Nehor May 4th 2011)
Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, regardless of what is right.
Mr. The Nehor is a racist. Notice he didn't denounce the teaching.
Disgusting.
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
I've explained my views on this teaching before. You participated even. So you're either incredibly forgetful or a deceptive liar.
I'm going with the latter based on past experience.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Sethbag wrote:As Moksha points out, it would be a pretty weak card to play against Romney because of the letter Elder Delbert Stapley sent to his father essentially chastising him for going against the church's views by supporting the Civil Rights Act, and accusing him of not toeing the Church's line on the "negro".
The race card does work against the church IMHO, but it would be pretty weak against Mitt Romney personally.
I didn't realize his dad was on record supporting civil rights. That's good to know. And it should be a lesson to TBMs today. By publicly opposing the church's political position, George Romney helped pave the way for his son to be president. Think about that when you blindly follow the church on political issues.
"We have taken up arms in defense of our liberty, our property, our wives, and our children; we are determined to preserve them, or die." - Captain Moroni - 'Address to the Inhabitants of Canada' 1775
Sethbag wrote:As Moksha points out, it would be a pretty weak card to play against Romney because of the letter Elder Delbert Stapley sent to his father essentially chastising him for going against the church's views by supporting the Civil Rights Act, and accusing him of not toeing the Church's line on the "negro".
The race card does work against the church IMHO, but it would be pretty weak against Mitt Romney personally.
I didn't realize his dad was on record supporting civil rights. That's good to know. And it should be a lesson to TBMs today. By publicly opposing the church's political position, George Romney helped pave the way for his son to be president. Think about that when you blindly follow the church on political issues.
Yup. While race may be a liability for the LDS church, Mitt's family has a positive record in that regard.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
jon wrote:Obama; Hi Mitt, why does your Church still believe in racial separation?
Mitt; *smiles cos he's got this one covered* Mr President, that was a policy a long time ago that ended in 1978 after a revelation from God *adopts smug knowing look*
Obama; Hmmmm, *aide brings him a copy of the Aaronic Priesthood Manual 3 and he turns to lesson 31* How come then that your current manual used for teaching young men between the ages of 12 and 17 contains the following counsel "we recommend that people marry those who are of the same racial background generally..."?
Mitt; *crickets*
America's reaction to this exciting and esoteric study of an obscure manual:
*crickets* and *snoring*
It should be removed from the manual. Even DCP said he wished it would be removed. From my own experience with TBMs born after WW2, interracial marriage is not an issue for them and I've seen lots and lots of temple attending, scripture reading, interracial couples. So why continue teaching this racial segregation crap.
It's a good thing Romney's dad distanced himself (and his family) from the church's anti-civil rights platform. That might not stop the Obama campaign from trying to attach Romney to the church's racist past if he gets desperate enough. I actually like Mitt, and so far he looks like the best candidate. I don't think Obama deserves another term, the tea-party candidates are a little on the nutty side and would drive independents to Obama, Rick Perry is GW Bush Jr, and Ron Paul is too old. I just hope Mitt doesn't accidentally say "you people" while debating Obama.
"We have taken up arms in defense of our liberty, our property, our wives, and our children; we are determined to preserve them, or die." - Captain Moroni - 'Address to the Inhabitants of Canada' 1775
jon wrote:Obama; Hi Mitt, why does your Church still believe in racial separation?
Mitt; *smiles cos he's got this one covered* Mr President, that was a policy a long time ago that ended in 1978 after a revelation from God *adopts smug knowing look*
Obama; Hmmmm, *aide brings him a copy of the Aaronic Priesthood Manual 3 and he turns to lesson 31* How come then that your current manual used for teaching young men between the ages of 12 and 17 contains the following counsel "we recommend that people marry those who are of the same racial background generally..."?
Mitt; *crickets*
This would act against Obama while the country is suffering from a Tea Party episode.
Obama; Hmmmm, *aide brings him a copy of the Aaronic Priesthood Manual 3 and he turns to lesson 31* How come then that your current manual used for teaching young men between the ages of 12 and 17 contains the following counsel "we recommend that people marry those who are of the same racial background generally..."?
Mitt; *crickets*
I dunno. Militant blacks are pretty keen on blacks marrying blacks. This would be a prime occaision for Romney to bring up Obama's past and his past associations. I would not hesistate to play the Terrorist/Marxist/Pedophilia card against Obama.
Obama; Hmmmm, *aide brings him a copy of the Aaronic Priesthood Manual 3 and he turns to lesson 31* How come then that your current manual used for teaching young men between the ages of 12 and 17 contains the following counsel "we recommend that people marry those who are of the same racial background generally..."?
Mitt; *crickets*
I dunno. Militant blacks are pretty keen on blacks marrying blacks. This would be a prime occaision for Romney to bring up Obama's past and his past associations. I would not hesistate to play the Terrorist/Marxist/Pedophilia card against Obama.
McCain played the terrorist/Marxist card back in 2008. How'd that work out for him?
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
bcspace wrote: I dunno. Militant blacks are pretty keen on blacks marrying blacks. This would be a prime occaision for Romney to bring up Obama's past and his past associations. I would not hesistate to play the Terrorist/Marxist/Pedophilia card against Obama.
Oh, that's right! You're an idiot.
It's been a while since I read one of your posts. I'd forgotten that you are a complete moron.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.