Utah's Finest: Tour de Utah, Brant Gardner Comedy

[_Joey]

 Only in Provo . . . Provo . . . Provo Comedy Club routine! . . . Only in Provo baby!

Another important contribution from Joey!!!!!!

When you witness the speed of Sergio up the canyon today, you get an appreciation of things that are real and worth attention. Levi won overall and that was great for us Americans hanging on to hope for next year. The point is that things that are real, relevant and stand to impact life will garner more attention than the time that Provo and his pals spend filling print space in the Des News.

Provo could get some attention if he got out behind his keyboard and screen and really participate in life, got a life, and do something that will extend his life. But it seems that he and the likes of Gardner would rather cycle through the fantasy land and recognition of being published in West Draper or the Des News! Not a bad gig when you get a church to pay for it!!

I'd even give the chump credit if he'd address the topic at hand!

But what a day to behold today up in Snowbird. History, beauty and sport that actually existed. This tour is really growing! Not like Book of Mormon archaeology in its respected professionals. But Book of Mormon archaeology has its audience in Provo - only in Provo!

Good to see your expected level of input Provo! Hope you find life beyond the keyboard!

[_Spurven Ten Sing]

Stop saying Provo so much, it offends alleged scholars the world over. The correct term is Zoobieville

[_Simon Belmont]

Provo could get some attention if he got out behind his keyboard and screen and really participate in life, got a life, and do something that will extend his life. But it seems that he and the likes of Gardner would rather cycle through the fantasy land and recognition of being published in West Draper or the Des News! Not a bad gig when you get a church to pay for it!!

Um Joey...?

Who doesn't have a life? Do you see Dr. Peterson or Brant Gardner posting threads about you? Do you see these people attacking you? No. It is always you attacking them. I wonder who doesn't have a life.

*sigh* only in Logan.

[_harmony]

*sigh* only in Logan.

Hey! Don't knock Logan. They have some great ice cream there.

[_Wisdom Seeker]

I wonder what part of "as close to zero as one can get" it is that Bro. Gardner cannot understand?

Reminds me of this movie dialogue:

Lloyd: I want to ask you a question... straight out, flat out... and I want you to give me an honest answer. What do you think the chances of a guy like you and a girl like me... ending up together?

Mary: Well Lloyd... that's difficult to say... you really don't...

Lloyd: Hit me! Just give it to me straight! I came a long way just to see you Mary. The least you can do is level with me. What are my chances?

Mary: Not good.

Lloyd: [Gulps] You mean, not good like one out of a hundred?

Mary: I'd say more like... one out of a million.

Lloyd: So you're telling me there's a chance. Yeah!

[_DrW]

I wonder what part of "as close to zero as one can get" it is that Bro. Gardner cannot understand?

Reminds me of this movie dialogue:

Lloyd: I want to ask you a question... straight out, flat out... and I want you to give me an honest answer. What do you think the chances of a guy like you and a girl like me... ending up together?

Mary: Well Lloyd... that's difficult to say... you really don't...

Lloyd: Hit me! Just give it to me straight! I came a long way just to see you Mary. The least you can do is level with me. What are my chances?

Mary: Not good.

Lloyd: [Gulps] You mean, not good like one out of a hundred?

Mary: I'd say more like... one out of a million.

Lloyd: So you're telling me there's a chance. Yeah!

Can't name the movie, but the dialog is certainly appropriate. In fact this kind of exchange pretty much sums up the dialog between skeptics and apologists in general when it comes to many aspects of science vs religion.

It points up the problem of possibility (embraced by apologists) vs. probability (used by scientists, engineers and critical thinkers as a tool in decision making and apparently not understood by apologists).

I can imagine the dialog below going on in the heads of apologists and TBMs who listened to Prof Coe's podcast (paraphrasing, of course):

Prof. Coe: Based on more than a century of research by hundreds of scientists, including anthropologists and ethnologists, archeologists, linguists geneticists, historians and others, the chances that the Book of Mormon is as claimed by the LDS Church are as close to zero as one can get.

Apologist (Simon Belmont comes to mind here): So what? It's not zero is it? You see, I could be right. And I have faith that I am right. I don't care if they have dug at hundreds of sites for a hundred years and found not a trace of the Nephite or the Lamanite civilizations. I don't care if the Mayan language has been translated and provides a contemporary historic narrative of the entire region that is no reflected in any way whatsoever in the Book of Mormon. Scientists don't know everything. They could find the City of Zarahemla tomorrow.

[_Rambo]

Reminds me of this movie dialogue:

Lloyd: I want to ask you a question... straight out, flat out... and I want you to give me an honest answer. What do you think the chances of a guy like you and a girl like me... ending up together?

Mary: Well Lloyd... that's difficult to say... you really don't...

Lloyd: Hit me! Just give it to me straight! I came a long way just to see you Mary. The least you can do is level with me. What are my chances?

Mary: Not good.

Lloyd: [Gulps] You mean, not good like one out of a hundred?

Mary: I'd say more like... one out of a million.

Lloyd: So you're telling me there's a chance. Yeah!

I love Dumb and Dumber!

[_Joey]

Apparently
Bro. Gardner is not aware that a Harvard educated Prof. Coe from Yale (who knows and has worked with LDS archeologists, and who in fact claims to like Mormons), has placed the probability of the Book of Mormon being what the LDS Church claims at "as close to zero as one can get".

While true that Coe is a Harvard educated Phd. in Archaeology who has studied this issue in great detail over the years, we should be reminded, as Prof. Provo will undoubtedly do for us, that Coe has NEVER been published in West Draper!

We are fortunate to have the likes of Provo here to keep our eyes focused on the really significant issues of academic excellence when dealing with Book of Mormon historicity and archaeology!