Seminary Dilemma

[_Yahoo Bot]

Aside from Especially for Youth, seminarynismthe best vehicle for LDS kids to be indoctrinated in their religion and interact with adults about their faith. If you don't want that to happen then grow a pair and stand up for your views rather than hand wring anonymously on a public board.

If my wife said something I didn't like About our kids and church I would find it cowardly and disloyal to air these concerns publicly.

Oops. I thought I was posting on MAD. Never mind.

[_Patriarchal gripe]

It is also now a requirement for overseas mission calls that the missionary be a 4 year seminary graduate. 3 year certificate or no certificate means a mission call stateside.

Having so many friends and relatives with gut problems because of their living conditions in the third world countries where they served their missions makes me want to make sure my sons don't graduate seminary, just in case I am unable to complete my evil scheme to bring them over to the dark side of apostacy before they turn 19.

[_DrW]

I attended early morning seminary and can trace the seeds of disbelief to Church History year. Even with the limited disclosure and correlated cover-up reflected in the lesson material, a high school kid could see that there were some big problems with certain foundational truth claims of the one true Church.

I still remember staring at the picture of Adam ondi Ahmen in our Church history text book and thinking "who do they think they are kidding"? The whole Garden of Eden thing is an old world myth and now they are telling me that it was an actual place located in Missouri.

I can say that early morning Seminary set me on the path out of the Church.

[_LDSToronto]

Aside from Especially for Youth, seminarynismthe best vehicle for LDS kids to be indoctrinated in their religion and interact with adults about their faith. If you don't want that to happen then grow a pair and stand up for your views rather than hand wring anonymously on a public board.

If my wife said something I didn't like About our kids and church I would find it cowardly and disloyal to air these concerns publicly.

Oops. I thought I was posting on MAD. Never mind.

More would post with their RL identities if they didn't have to contend with unstable nutcases such as yourself.

Folks, this is a product of the indoctrination found in seminary classes the world over.

H.

[_hugh jass]

Sux to be you for sure.

My only advice is to try and get her to see your point that it should be his choice.

Will she threaten divorce if you do not comply?

I used early morning seminary to sleep if I wasn't getting breakfast with my other Mormon friends who were also skipping boring-as-hell seminary. I would literally put my head down on the desk and sleep like a dead man. The "Quad" was my head rest.

I grew up just north of SLC. But live outside of the theocracy now.

I had been out for a few years before my oldest entered ninth grade. When he realized he would not be required to attend early-morning-waste-of-time he quipped, "Wait, so this seminary thing, its like Sunday school EVERY DAY??? WHY??? Like there is something we did not cover at church on Sunday??"

[_hugh jass]

Aside from Especially for Youth, seminarynismthe best vehicle for LDS kids to be indoctrinated in their religion and interact with adults about their faith. If you don't want that to happen then grow a pair and stand up for your views rather than hand wring anonymously on a public board.

If my wife said something I didn't like About our kids and church I would find it cowardly and disloyal to air these concerns publicly.

Oops. I thought I was posting on MAD. Never mind.

EFY and those stupid hand cart treks are nothing short of brainwashing camps.

Seriously, the pioneers who suffered did so because they were unwitting fools or complete idiots. The only thing they suffered from was a lack of common sense.

Do the Jews force their kids to attend Concentration Summer Camp just so they can "understand" what some of the Jews suffered through?

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Aside from Especially for Youth, seminarynismthe best vehicle for LDS kids to be indoctrinated in their religion and interact with adults about their faith. If you don't want that to happen then grow a pair and stand up for your views rather than hand wring anonymously on a public board.

If my wife said something I didn't like About our kids and church I would find it cowardly and disloyal to air these concerns publicly.

Oops. I thought I was posting on MAD. Never mind.

Hello,

Oh my. Mr. Bot genuinely sounds like a normal person for once! Kudos, good Sir.

I have to agree with Mr. Bot, Mr. Turkey. You should take a moment, reach down between your legs and feel around for the balls you were gifted from God. If they're gone, go take a look in your wife's purse, and I'm sure you'll find them there. If, by the grace of Jehova Himself you manage to feel a pair of legumes tucked away in your manpouch those are called testicles. You have testicles for a reason. Testicles are directly connected to a man's backbone. If you have any balls at all you'll sack the “F” up, tell your wife your kid isn't going to receive early morning indoctrination sessions, and that's that. Your primary obligation as a damned man is to be a leader for your family. You've clearly ceded that responsibility to your woman, and she's clearly calling the shots. Instead of coming here to whine about your insufferable psychopath you call a wife, you man-the-fuck-up, put your foot down, and protect your child's interests from her's. She's clearly not interested in his well-being, but rather her reputation. A real man would be willing to go to the mattresses for his children. The real question is what are you going to do, little man?

V/R
Dr. Cam

[_DrW]

Do the Jews force their kids to attend Concentration Summer Camp just so they can "understand" what some of the Jews suffered through?

No. However, the JDF does take recruits to Masada to help indoctrinate them as to the events that occurred there when Jews fought against the Romans. (Actually not sure if they still do this, but it was done for many years.)

Then there is Yad Vashem (the Museum and World Center for Holocaust Research), which Israeli school children visit as an important part of their education (again, they did this when I was working in Israel, and I assume they still do.)

The Jews might not be the best examples here. Jews (especially those who live in Israel) do persecution quite well actually (and for much better reasons than Mormons have).

[_Pollypinks]

I'd sit back and watch this one play out. Anytime a parent forces a teen to do something he really doesn't want to do, chances of him turning around and loving the activity and what it represents are slim. And why does your wife hold the Trump card, with no negotiation from you allowed? You are the male head of the LDS household, so technically, you could simply go down there and pull him out if you wanted to bad enough. I always drew the line when I thought my kids were suffering.

[_bcspace]

A sure way to snuff the spirit of a wonderful child if you ask me.

Of course he doesn't want to go. He has an out in you.

Having had many kids go through seminary myself, I'd say it is YOU, because you're not united with your wife in proper spiritual training whose snuffing out the spirit of your child.