Illegal Immigration and the Bible

[_bcspace]

You've yet to provide an example of me distorting scripture.

Using a scripture about false vs true messiah and pretending it's about illegal immigration is a distortion of scripture. Enjoy your stay in hell.

I don't think BC Space is worried about whether or not he distorts scripture, or whether he is going to hell.

See my previous post.

[_moksha]

Go forth, multiply and replenish the earth.

[_bcspace]

Go forth, multiply and replenish the earth.

Done and done.

[_Chap]

Now let's think ... is this a parable about illegal entry into a country, or might it be about something else .... ?

Goldarn it, it's real hard to tell, isn't it?

After all, it's not as if Jesus explained what it was about, or anything.

Except that he validated the temporal common sense notion of who is a thief (vs 1) by applying it in a spiritual example.

Yup, and he also validated the temporal common sense notion of what a sheep is by applying it to a spiritual example. That's really helpful!

Without scripture to guide us, where would we be?

On the other hand, it would seem that Buffalo's citation does show a rather more direct relevance to the moral dimensions of the contested issue under discussion:

And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God

Leviticus 19:33-34

Can you show a scripture saying something like "If the stranger hath not a green card, ye shall boot him out even if he hath lived and worked amongst you for many years and hath children born in the land?". That would be more to the point.

[_bcspace]

Except that he validated the temporal common sense notion of who is a thief (vs 1) by applying it in a spiritual example.

Yup, and he also validated the temporal common sense notion of what a sheep is by applying it to a spiritual example. That's really helpful!

Without scripture to guide us, where would we be?

Up a creek apparently because you all missed the connection.

Can you show a scripture saying something like "If the stranger hath not a green card, ye shall boot him out even if he hath lived and worked amongst you for many years and hath children born in the land?". That would be more to the point.

Sure. Titus 3:1. But I have never proposed anyone should be booted out. Simply that they go out of their own accord and come back in through the front door in order to be eligible for rights and benefits.

[_Spurven Ten Sing]

bspace,

Curious, what gave you the "right" to live and work in America? Why don't others share this "right"? Do you believe people should be free? Do you believe free people should be allowed to move? Do you believe that the government is efficient? Do you wish to shrink or grow the size of government? Do you think expanding or supporting ICE is limiting the power of the government? Do you believe in the free market? Do you believe in market competition? Do you believe it is the place of government to subsidize or regulate in favor of one company or group of people when it comes to business? Why shouldn't free people be allowed to move freely to compete openly and freely in the free market?

Thanks in advance.

[_bcspace]

Curious, what gave you the "right" to live and work in America?

Citizenship.

Why don't others share this "right"?

With a naturalization process, they can share it.

Do you believe people should be free?

Yes.

Do you believe free people should be allowed to move?

Yes.

Do you believe that the government is
efficient?

Subjective, but generally no.

Do you wish to shrink or grow the size of government?

Nuanced. Shrink overall. Some areas can grow.

Do you think expanding or supporting ICE is limiting the power of the government?

I'm generally in favor of more enforcement of the law. It's the law itself which gives a legal government power. Some laws should be repealed, others should be made.

Do you believe in the free market? Do you believe in market competition?

Yep.

Do you believe it is the place of government to subsidize or regulate in favor of one company or group of people when it comes to business?

Within a country, generally no.

Why shouldn't free people be allowed to move freely to compete openly and freely in the free market?

Enforcement of immigration law and border control is a minimal barrier to entry in the overall economy. Those who are here illegally could just as easily be here legally.

I think you've made the mistake in assuming I am against immigration or the immigration of certain nationalities. I am neither. I might be against the immigration to the US of certain religions or political philosophies, but that could be hard to screen.

[_Spurven Ten Sing]

I think I will rephrase my line of questioning and start over.

1. What did you do to earn or deserve the "right" to live and work in America?
2. What did the Mexicans (or whoever) not do or do to not have this same "right"?
3. Why should one group of people be shielded from competition?
4. What did this group do to earn this "right" and what did the immigrants do to not deserve this "right".

[_bcspace]

I think I will rephrase my line of questioning and start over.

I think your whole line of questioning still fails because your #2, #3, and #4, each erroneously assumes I don't want anyone to migrate here.

[_Spurven Ten Sing]

I think I will rephrase my line of questioning and start over.

I think your whole line of questioning still fails because your #2, #3, and #4, each erroneously assumes I don't want anyone to migrate here.

The questions assume nothing, but we can skip those for now. How about we stick with number 1? What did you do to earn or deserve the "right" to live and work in America?