My Wife's Take on the New Mormon Media Blitz

[_Fifth Columnist]

And so what is the best recent statement from a general authority in the past 20 years saying that women shouldn't be working?

Please show me where the Church set a 20 year time limit on prophetic counsel.

I'd like to show that to my attorney sister and my engineer sister. One of them is married to a bishop and I'd like to know what the hell is going on.

They are obviously disregarding the prophet's counsel. It's like a woman with two earrings. She can have them and even be a bishop's wife, but her soul is cankered and more susceptible to Satan because she is disobeying her priesthood leaders.

[_consiglieri]

And so what is the best recent statement from a general authority in the past 20 years saying that women shouldn't be working? I'd like to show that to my attorney sister and my engineer sister. One of them is married to a bishop and I'd like to know what the hell is going on.

Please show the pamphlet by President Benson to your sisters and get back to us as to why they are flagrantly violating the prophet's commands.

I take it your sisters are not observant Mormons.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[Guest]

To answer Yahoo Bot's CFR:

See pages 237-240 of the BYU Religion 234-235 Eternal Marriage Student Manual for a veritable cornucopia of GA quotes. I particularly like the one they used to introduce the chapter, from Gordon B. Hinckley: "It is well-nigh impossible to be a full-time homemaker and a full-time employee."

http://www.byui.edu/reled/Online%20Manuals/Religion%20234-235,%20Eternal%20Marriage%20Student%20Manual~eng.pdf

The manual is dated 2001.

Also, check out page 78, on women getting an education. The GA quotes support the idea that the Church only wants women to get an education in case something tragic happens to their husband. Elder Nelson cites the example of a female lawyer who nobly leaves the profession to be a full-time mother.

YB, show us the GA quotes that say mothers with children in the home can choose to work outside the home in anything other than an "emergency" in order to provide the "bare necessities" for their families.

[_Everybody Wang Chung]

Consig,

Two questions. First, you really don't have a tv? If so, your family is missing a lot of great programming on KBYU. One of my favorite KBYU programs is "Scripture Study With Elder Bednar": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEC__4IMMko

Second, your wife seems like a very intelligent woman. How on earth did you convince her to marry you? j/k

[_consiglieri]

Second, your wife seems like a very intelligent woman. How on earth did you convince her to marry you? j/k

Boy, is that a good question!

And a long story.

Here's the short version:

We knew each other in high school but then we went our separate ways.

She went to England to live for a year after her first husband died.

We renewed our friendship through letters.

I had recently gotten divorced from my first wife, who was busy having her second affair. (The first was with a 19-year old we let stay at our house while preparing for his mission because his family disowned him when he converted to Mormonism. After I forgave her that, she struck up an "acquaintance" with another guy--this one married in the temple with four kids. I would go further, but this is the short version. Also omitted is the divine intervention on both sides of the pond with me and my second wife that led to our wedding.)

I flew to England and we got married.

We actually went on our first date as newlyweds.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_Blixa]

Second, your wife seems like a very intelligent woman. How on earth did you convince her to marry you? j/k

Boy, is that a good question!

And a long story.

Here's the short version:

We knew each other in high school but then we went our separate ways.

She went to England to live for a year after her first husband died.

We renewed our friendship through letters.

I had recently gotten divorced from my first wife, who was busy having her second affair. (The first was with a 19-year old we let stay at our house while preparing for his mission because his family disowned him when he converted to Mormonism. After I forgave her that, she struck up an "acquaintance" with another guy--this one married in the temple with four kids. I would go further, but this is the short version. Also omitted is the divine intervention on both sides of the pond with me and my second wife that led to our wedding.)

I flew to England and we got married.

We actually went on our first date as newlyweds.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

I like this story.

[_just me]

I like this story.

Seconded. It had me grinnin' like a fool.

[_Willy Law]

And so what is the best recent statement from a general authority in the past 20 years saying that women shouldn't be working? I'd like to show that to my attorney sister and my engineer sister. One of them is married to a bishop and I'd like to know what the hell is going on.

Fortunately some of these fall outside Bot's 20 year window in which we should heed to the Lord's voice.

http://institute.LDS.org/manuals/eternal-marriage-student-manual/m2-mothers.asp

“. . . I beg of you, you who could and should be bearing and rearing a family: Wives, come home from the typewriter, the laundry, the nursing, come home from the factory, the café.

“No career approaches in importance that of wife, homemaker, mother—cooking meals, washing dishes, making beds for one’s precious husband and children.

“Come home, wives, to your husbands. Make home a heaven for them. Come home wives, to your children, born and unborn. Wrap the motherly cloak about you and unembarrassed help in a major role to create the bodies for the immortal souls who anxiously wait."

SWK

[_bcspace]

People don't understand black and white, which everything in the world is.

They want it to be definitively stated that they themselves must, in this case, be stay at home moms and every woman who's not a SAHM is going to hell or at least won't be blessed or rewarded. Being a stay at home mom, while ideal, is not always achievable. In addition, there are indeed some who can balance the family and a career.

What's right in the Gospel sense is usually a tension between multiple principles. For example, the tension in the garden to reproduce and obey God's command not to eat the fruit at the same time. Tension between principles is the way God works and that refines us and hones are ability to make correct choices as well as develop charity and compassion (the antithesis of Socialism). Today, there is a three way tension between God, Self, and Church. Insert Work, Spouse, and Children any way you want.

For each individual, the balance point within these tensions is going to be different. When does one sin? When one no longer takes into account one of the principles that produces the tension. This can be illustrated by a three-way (or any number) tension as per above. The three points make a triangle and the area of the triangle represents accounting for all three principles. You balance point could be closer to God, for example, than it is to family or it could be closer to family. As long as your balance point is anywhere in that triangle, you have not sinned.

It is true that there are things that produce no tension because there are no conflicting commands. Murder (though one could find an example of tension in the Nephi and Laban story here), adultery, stealing, and the modern example of the WoW. SAHM has not become a WoW.

I believe that not seeing or accepting that differing indiviudal's balance points can be equally acceptable to God depending on their circumstances is the root cause of much antiMormonism. Consig's (fictional?) wife for example. She made the right and ideal choice but doesn't see that her circumstances allowed her to do that. She is in a very real sense, the brother of the Prodigal Son in the parable.

[_Tarski]

And so what is the best recent statement from a general authority in the past 20 years saying that women shouldn't be working?

Great! LOL
And after a while, what the general "authorities" are saying now, will not be recent anymore. Best ignore their wisdom now since it will soon be defunct.