Robert Ritner Gives the Final Word on the Missing Scroll!

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Chap wrote:If that happens, there will probably be a lengthy process of de-emphasis first, so the members don't notice the change too much. Maybe it has already begun?

When was the Book of Abraham last referenced extensively in a speech in General Conference?


The Book of Abraham is the primary source for LDS teachings about the premortal life, the "council in heaven," and the purpose of life. I doubt they would de-emphasize the content of the book, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them back away from the book as a translation of the papyrus. Instead, they'll just move to the "catalyst" theory or something like that, which of course, a lot of apologists have already done.
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Ruh roh!
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Honestly, though, I've followed that thread, and it's like arguing over the exact dimensions of the deck chairs on the Titanic. I can't see the outcome of the argument changing either way. This WILL embarrass the apologists who have been kicking so hard against the pricks, which is always entertaining.
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Runtu wrote:
Chap wrote:If that happens, there will probably be a lengthy process of de-emphasis first, so the members don't notice the change too much. Maybe it has already begun?

When was the Book of Abraham last referenced extensively in a speech in General Conference?


The Book of Abraham is the primary source for LDS teachings about the premortal life, the "council in heaven," and the purpose of life. I doubt they would de-emphasize the content of the book, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them back away from the book as a translation of the papyrus. Instead, they'll just move to the "catalyst" theory or something like that, which of course, a lot of apologists have already done.

If this is true, it kind of makes you wonder why they would have allowed Schryver access to the papyri. Didn't they know beforehand what he was up to? Certainly he had to have described his intentions before they authorized him to measure them. Doesn't that seem to indicate that they were still holding on to a missing scroll possibility? Maybe that was just a desperate last attempt to try that argument, and now that the Schryver ship has been sunk they'll go full bore with the "catalyst" theory?
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The whole Book of Abraham discussion is insane.
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Carton wrote:If this is true, it kind of makes you wonder why they would have allowed Schryver access to the papyri. Didn't they know beforehand what he was up to? Certainly he had to have described his intentions before they authorized him to measure them. Doesn't that seem to indicate that they were still holding on to a missing scroll possibility? Maybe that was just a desperate last attempt to try that argument, and now that the Schryver ship has been sunk they'll go full bore with the "catalyst" theory?


Maybe it is because the Church leadership primarily consist of successful businessmen. I am sure they see Schryver as a shortfall investment.

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Carton wrote:If this is true, it kind of makes you wonder why they would have allowed Schryver access to the papyri. Didn't they know beforehand what he was up to? Certainly he had to have described his intentions before they authorized him to measure them. Doesn't that seem to indicate that they were still holding on to a missing scroll possibility? Maybe that was just a desperate last attempt to try that argument, and now that the Schryver ship has been sunk they'll go full bore with the "catalyst" theory?


I don't think the church leadership cares much about this issue. It's the content that matters, not the provenance.
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Fence Sitter wrote:Maybe it is because the Church leadership primarily consist of successful businessmen. I am sure they see Schryver as a shortfall investment.


Okay, THAT was funny!
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Runtu wrote:I don't think the church leadership cares much about this issue. It's the content that matters, not the provenance.


I agree.
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Hey Kish (Good to see you back amogst us. Hope all is well)

Kishkumen wrote:The whole Book of Abraham discussion is insane.


Short, to the point, and completely accurate. (in my opinion)

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