What if Monson was caught rolling in the hay with Bednar?

[_Rambo]

No enjoyment, no laughing, no anger etc. But a prophet is human. And so, humans share their human nature. No escaping it.

Oh I expect Joseph Smith to do this. What I didn't expect was him banging chicks behind his wifes back. Oh and that God commanded it. There is a big difference!

[_why me]

This would be a huge deal for the Mormon church and for it's members. I'm sure it would shock my family and have an impact on them.

I don't think so. GAs are not perfect. They will make mistakes. And most members know this. I see no problem. Here is the basic point: the LDS church is not about Smith, benson, kimball or monson. It is about the restoration and the Book of Mormon. In the early days, the leaders where falling away all the time. But the church continued.

[_Rambo]

This would be a huge deal for the Mormon church and for it's members. I'm sure it would shock my family and have an impact on them.

I don't think so.

You keep telling yourself that.

You have no damned clue!

[_why me]

Oh I expect Joseph Smith to do this. What I didn't expect was him banging chicks behind his wifes back. Oh and that God commanded it. There is a big difference!

People did leave the church because of these things: too jovial, anger, laughing, wrestling with cussers etc. He didn't behave like they thought a prophet should. He was just human. On the way to zion's camp when he got angry, some of the men were shocked. One brought him to church court for throwing a horn at him--- something that a prophet should not do. But it was determined that Joseph Smith threw it at the dirt.

[_why me]

You keep telling yourself that.

You have no f*****g clue!

Ask your family and see what they will say. If they believe that there leaders should be perfect, well, they are setting themselves up for a fall. No human is perfect...we all sin.

[_Morley]

You keep telling yourself that.

You have no f*****g clue!

Ask your family and see what they will say. If they believe that there leaders should be perfect, well, they are setting themselves up for a fall. No human is perfect...we all sin.

No one expects perfection from the General Authorities. They do expect adequacy.

[_Rambo]

Ask your family and see what they will say. If they believe that there leaders should be perfect, well, they are setting themselves up for a fall. No human is perfect...we all sin.

I'm talking about if the church allowed gays to marry. My bro did say he would probably leave.

Although, I don't think they would believe that bednar and monson had sex. My family wouldn't even hypothetically want to talk about such a subject cause it would disturb them so much. If it was true that they had sex and there was proof then I'm sure it would cause some major doubts.

They would probably ask how a prophet would be able to lead the church through inspiration when he is having gay sex. Isn't the priesthood not with that man when he sins like this.

A member sometimes feel that can't recieve inspiration when they do a little sin. How is a prophet going to recieve inspiration when they are doing a sin next to murder.

This is why it would raise doubts. But I doubt you will understand that because you really don't know what it is like to be Mormon.

[_SteelHead]

This would be a huge deal for the Mormon church and for it's members. I'm sure it would shock my family and have an impact on them.

I don't think so. GAs are not perfect. They will make mistakes. And most members know this. I see no problem. Here is the basic point: the LDS church is not about Smith, benson, kimball or monson. It is about the restoration and the Book of Mormon. In the early days, the leaders where falling away all the time. But the church continued.

Case in point to my previous assertion.

[_Morley]

Oh I expect Joseph Smith to do this. What I didn't expect was him banging chicks behind his wifes back. Oh and that God commanded it. There is a big difference!

People did leave the church because of these things: too jovial, anger, laughing, wrestling with cussers etc. He didn't behave like they thought a prophet should. He was just human. On the way to zion's camp when he got angry, some of the men were shocked. One brought him to church court for throwing a horn at him--- something that a prophet should not do. But it was determined that Joseph Smith threw it at the dirt.

Emphasis mine.
Please give your citation for this [people leaving because the prophet was 'wrestling with cussers'].

[Guest]

Again, why not? It has already effectively happened. Some tbms will believe no matter what shenanighans the leaders get up to. Especially as they have been conditioned to follow the prophet. All the prophet has to do then, is say it was god's will. Crisis averted.

Not really. Why would any member expect perfection from their GA's? GA's sin...it is normal to do so. They are human. One problem that the early LDS church had was with how members saw Joseph Smith. Most expected Joseph to act like a prophet. No enjoyment, no laughing, no anger etc. But a prophet is human. And so, humans share their human nature. No escaping it.

I agree with you. Joseph's affairs were human nature. It's hard to resist temptation, especially for a virile man in his 20s and 30s with adoring female followers. You can't fault him too much. I'm not sure why so many early LDS people "expected Joseph to act like a prophet." It's not like he claimed to be a prophet or claimed to speak for God.